Are theists by nature simply insecure?

[Kyuuketsuki]

(15th August 2009 12:21)Pippy Wrote:  

Quote:So nothing but wishful thinking then!

Are you even listening, or do you just see that I posted and assume you know what I must have said w/o I say, no I think it is more complex than that, that is an oversimplification of my faith. And you respond with "La la la, wishful thinking". Think that I am exercising wishful thinking, I disagree.

One day you'll actually understand that you and your beliefs prove absolutely fuck all ... I already know this!

Kyu

[bozo]

Pippy, I think you're wrong on the god issue, but I value you here because you aren't wrong on other topics that are discussed.

[Pippy]

Quote:One day you'll actually understand that you and your beliefs prove absolutely fuck all

In your world. My beliefs are real and valuable to me. This is something we have been over before. There are other people on this planet with you. They are different than you. Deal with it.

Thank you Bozo, that is very kind of you to say. I find that refreshingly mature, as that you can disagree with me about god, a big thing, but hear me out about other things. I appreciate that, and it says a lot about your character.

Thanks guys,
-Pip

[padraic]

Quote:One day you'll actually understand that you and your beliefs prove absolutely fuck all ... I already know this!

How very patronising of you to say so.

Personal certitude is a wonder to behold.

[Anto Kennedy]

(12th August 2009 19:44)Darwinian Wrote:  As atheists I suggest that most of us accept that the Universe came into existence as we see it today for no particular reason. Certainly not as a result of any conscience decision making or plan.

We are also quite happy to accept that we, as humans, are no more or less important than any other part of this expanding cloud of particles and energy and that our time here is brief and then when, finally, our bodies cease to function we simply exit the Universe and vanish, like teardrops in the rain.

However, if someone simply does not have the psychological equipment to be able to come to terms with this, seemingly, stark reality is it unreasonable to suppose that they might create some kind of purpose for their existence in the form of a greater plan which itself guarantees them continuation of their lives after the death of their body?

I suppose what I am really saying is that theists are by nature worriers and insecure and they cannot function without the knowledge that there is some kind of great purpose of which they are an integral part.

Keep telling yourself that while you cling to the God Delusion.

Insecurity? I'm not the one hanging around a forum exclusively for people who believe the same things I do because I cannot deal with alternate views out of insecurity of my position.

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Quote:In a world where every action have a logic explanation. The atheism stand is the one that requires extraordinary evidence. Nothing in this world happens by itself, but the world itself did for no reason what so ever. That is one extraordinary claim that I would like to see backed up. It doesnt even stand to "common sense".

(Random internet guy)

Quote:Agnosticism is what's backed up by science, which is to say, "insufficient data to reach a conclusion yet".

Atheism is an active belief which pretends not to be an active belief.

(Random internet guy 2)

[HalcyonicTrust]

(17th August 2009 07:32)Anto Kennedy Wrote:  Insecurity? I'm not the one hanging around a forum exclusively for people who believe the same things I do because I cannot deal with alternate views out of insecurity of my position.

Ummm... I don't know if you've noticed but this forum is not exclusively for atheists. Theists can join too... I don't know how you've missed that considering that you're a theist and you're a member of this forum!.

If we can't deal with alternative views then how come people with alternative views are allowed to join? Your statement is entirely full of shit because your mere presence as a theist member here contradicts your statement!

EvF

[Tiberius]

Well at least we've got Anto figured out. He's the reincarnation of Daystar, starting out fine, polite, non-abusive, and then deteriorating into insults and attacks on people.

So I guess that if atheism is the "religious belief in a spontaneous, causeless, sourceless, purposeless, meaningless existence", that makes theism the "religious belief in a spontaneous, causeless, sourceless, purposeless, meaningless god".

Actually, that doesn't sound half bad.

When will theists realize that their view of an "uncreated" God is exactly the same view atheists have about the universe.

[HalcyonicTrust]

(17th August 2009 16:02)Tiberius Wrote:  When will theists realize that their view of an "uncreated" God is exactly the same view atheists have about the universe.

With extra bullshit accesories of course Otherwise they'd have to be deist and have an infinitely lazy God without a mind so it's basically just the universe, lol.

But yeah. If God can be uncaused then so can the universe. And we already know the universe is here, it's less absurd and it isn't unfounded like the 'God belief' is.

EvF

[Darwinian]

Quote:In a world where every action have a logic explanation. The atheism stand is the one that requires extraordinary evidence. Nothing in this world happens by itself, but the world itself did for no reason what so ever. That is one extraordinary claim that I would like to see backed up. It doesnt even stand to "common sense".

The atheist stance requires precisely no evidence what so ever as it simply states a disbelief in God. You're the one who is making this extraordinary claim about a supernatural being who exists outside of space and time who created all of existence through sheer force of will.

Oh, and for some reason, this omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being who conceived the entirety of the Cosmos from it's first nanosecond to the very end of time itself, who knows the position, history and fate of everything from the mightiest galaxy to the smallest sub-atomic particle, who not only knows your inner most thoughts but also every thought you will ever have, for some unfathomable reason that cannot be comprehended by our feeble minds, he really hates gays

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

[Kyuuketsuki]

(17th August 2009 07:32)Anto Kennedy Wrote:  

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IOW, shove it where the light don't shine!

Kyu