response, to al fatihah

[paulpablo]

He has an interesting opinion that if you think sex with a 9 year old is wrong then you must be the one who condones rape and molestation, i pretty much believe the exact opposite, i believe that sex with a 9 year old is molestation, what is your opinion?

Response: Amusing, when that was never stated. Yet what was clearly stated is the there is absolutely nothing wrong with consensual sex in marriage at puberty with someone who is mature. What you stated is that this is a wrongful act. Therefore, your own logic supports the idea of molesting a child, and having sex without consent. So tell us, what makes you think it's okay to be such a perv?

Response, do you think its right to claim people support rape and molestation if they dont agree with your opinion that having sex with a 9 year old is fine in certain circumstances?

[Cinjin]

My thoughts on the muslim defense of their prophet and his marriage to a nine year old girl:

If I were a muslim (and of course I never would be because that religion is even worse than christianity - if that's even possible), I wouldn't try to defend the act of having sex with a minor. That's just an impossible debate to win.

Rather, I would merely say, that there is no way to verify when exactly Muhammad first had sexual relations with that girl and I would follow that up with the fact that there is no way to be sure how mature of mind this particular girl was and perhaps even state that people mature mentally at very different rates. After, selling all that bull shit, I would then state that having sex with minors is illegal in today's society and that I personally would never condone such an act, but that Muhammad lived in a different time and we don't fully understand the nature of his relationship with his bride and the societal differences that effected both the minds of adults and children.

Is it bull shit? Of course it is, but at least I wouldn't come across as looking like a filthy pedophile worthy of arrest and prison rape.

[Al-Fatihah]

Response: Amusing, when that was never stated. Yet what was clearly stated is the there is absolutely nothing wrong with consensual sex in marriage at puberty with someone who is mature. What you stated is that this is a wrongful act. Therefore, your own logic supports the idea of molesting a child, and having sex without consent. So tell us, what makes you think it's okay to be such a perv?

"absolutly nothing wrong"??????

Puperty starts between 10-12 years of age of the individual.

Let`s just ask one simple question:

Is it alright for a 40 year old male muslim, to be married and to have sex with a 10 year old girl, who has reached puperty?


Personaly I think the case wis very clear. A person reaches adulthood at 18, and at that point can have sex with people above the age of 18 as much as they want.

And I find nothing about this subject to be

amusing

paulpoablo never stated that he supported the molestation of a child. He clearly spoke out against such, in fact the purpose of this thread is to voice his disgust about your support for childabuse.
There is nothing which would in any way suppose that "by his logic" he would support the molestation of a child.

You are the one who stated that when reaching puperty it is alright for such a person to be married and to have sex with an adult.

Do not reflect your undefenciable possition on someone else when you find it to be undefendable.

Response: to the contrary, he spoke against consensual sex in marriage at puberty with someone who is mature, making his own ideology that of child molesting. And since you're doing the exact same thing, you own perverted logic is exposed as well.

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I just want to clarify this as I can't rule out the possibility of a breakdown in communication somewhere along the line.

Are you stating that as long as the girl is going through puberty, is married and gives consent then it is perfectly permissible, normal, allowable etc. for a 10 year old girl to have a full sexual relationship with say, a 50 year old man?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

No.

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Response, do you think its right to claim people support rape and molestation if they dont agree with your opinion that having sex with a 9 year old is fine in certain circumstances?

Response: The better question is why do you condemn consensual sex in marriage at puberty with someone who is mature, and condone raping and molesting children?

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My thoughts on the muslim defense of their prophet and his marriage to a nine year old girl:

If I were a muslim (and of course I never would be because that religion is even worse than christianity - if that's even possible), I wouldn't try to defend the act of having sex with a minor. That's just an impossible debate to win.

Rather, I would merely say, that there is no way to verify when exactly Muhammad first had sexual relations with that girl and I would follow that up with the fact that there is no way to be sure how mature of mind this particular girl was and perhaps even state that people mature mentally at very different rates. After, selling all that bull shit, I would then state that having sex with minors is illegal in today's society and that I personally would never condone such an act, but that Muhammad lived in a different time and we don't fully understand the nature of his relationship with his bride and the societal differences that effected both the minds of adults and children.

Is it bull shit? Of course it is, but at least I wouldn't come across as looking like a filthy pedophile worthy of arrest and prison rape.

Response: In many people's eyes, yes, you would, despite the strength of your argument.

[paulpablo]

Response, do you think its right to claim people support rape and molestation if they dont agree with your opinion that having sex with a 9 year old is fine in certain circumstances?

Im just going to keep asking this question to you until you answer, because you either answer yes, in which case admitting youre illogical and that you make slanderous unfounded claims about people, or you say no and admit youre wrong.

So dont answer a question with a question just tell me yes or no do you think its right to claim that I condone molestation and rape because i disagree with you when you say sex with a 9 year old is fine in certain circumstances?

I will answer your question after you answer mine, i dont dodge questions like you

[Cinjin]

Response: It is unnecessary (and more than a little annoying) to keep writing the word 'response.'

[Something completely different]

Response: to the contrary, he spoke against consensual sex in marriage at puberty with someone who is mature, making his own ideology that of child molesting. And since you're doing the exact same thing, you own perverted logic is exposed as well.

He spoke out against any form of sex with a minor.


One must be completly inept and stupid to think that such a statement gives any kind of support to the molestation of a child.

+ nowhere did he speak out in defence on unconsencual sex or rape!


I am going to make one thing clear for you:

I have a problem with people being purposly annoying, like you are.
You refuse to bring counterarguments in debates and declare yourself the winner of every "debate" you participate in on your own behalf.
But I dont want these kind of people banned aslong as they can resist being incitefull and violent.

But if you accuse people of being pedophiles or supporting rape, out of the blue without any evidence to back such statements up.

You are crossing a line.

Actualy defamating a person by calling him a rapist is a crime where I live, and if you were a German member I would report you to the authorities if you accuse me of supporting childabuse or unconsensual sex - which is called rape - because that is what it is.

So I encourage you to stop posting that I am in support of childmolestation or unconsensual sex, simply because you have no civilised arguments to defend these very things as the occur in the quoran.

If you dont, and if you continue to accuse me of being in support of unconsensual sex or childmolestation again, I will report you to the mods, because I do not deserve this defamation.

Especialy after making perfectly clear where I stand on this subject.

[Cinjin]

If you dont, and if you accuse me of being in suppor of unconcensual sex or childmolestation again, I will report you to the mods, because I do not deserve this defamation.

Especialy after making perfectly clear where I stand on this subject.

Don't worry German, we Mods are well aware that you are not condoning child molestation and that Al Fat is full of it.
Actually, I'm reasonably sure that NO ONE considers a single solitary word of the drivel that comes out of Al Fat.

[Something completely different]

It`s not that I fear to suddently have the reputation of being such a person.


It`s about principle, such behavior shouldnt be ignored.

[Al-Fatihah]

Response, do you think its right to claim people support rape and molestation if they dont agree with your opinion that having sex with a 9 year old is fine in certain circumstances?

Im just going to keep asking this question to you until you answer, because you either answer yes, in which case admitting youre illogical and that you make slanderous unfounded claims about people, or you say no and admit youre wrong.

So dont answer a question with a question just tell me yes or no do you think its right to claim that I condone molestation and rape because i disagree with you when you say sex with a 9 year old is fine in certain circumstances?

I will answer your question after you answer mine, i dont dodge questions like you

Response: You can keep asking the same question if you like. It won't change the fact that you've already been exposed of condoning rape and molestation, since you condemn the concept of consensual sex in marriage at puberty with someone who is mature. Debunked as usual.

[Darwinian]

Response, do you think its right to claim people support rape and molestation if they dont agree with your opinion that having sex with a 9 year old is fine in certain circumstances?

Im just going to keep asking this question to you until you answer, because you either answer yes, in which case admitting youre illogical and that you make slanderous unfounded claims about people, or you say no and admit youre wrong.

So dont answer a question with a question just tell me yes or no do you think its right to claim that I condone molestation and rape because i disagree with you when you say sex with a 9 year old is fine in certain circumstances?

I will answer your question after you answer mine, i dont dodge questions like you

Response: You can keep asking the same question if you like. It won't change the fact that you've already been exposed of condoning rape and molestation, since you condemn the concept of consensual sex in marriage at puberty with someone who is mature. Debunked as usual.

What about this sort of attack? Surely this can be considered as libellous?