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why does religion choose love
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RE: why does religion choose love
(February 4, 2013 at 1:01 am)catfish Wrote: According to the text fr0d0, an unbeliever is sactified by their spouse too...
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well, that is true. I'm in a relationship with a muslim and even though we've been together for the past 4 years he's afraid of taking things further because of what his family will do (they know me but don't know we're dating). to me this is completely insane, that one's own family will put religion ahead of one's happyness.

(February 3, 2013 at 7:03 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: The phrase for my faith is yolked to an unbeliever. The reason for it imo is the ensuing conflict in ideologies that would lead to friction and eventual relationship breakdown.

Jesus is a jealous lover, and separation from your past/non faithful life is painfully obligatory. You couldn't really deny that, even for a vehement independent such as myself.

Now bear in mind that I've been a believing Christian for 1/5th of my life, and married for half of it. My wife is a Christian. She's more religious than I am, so that question would have been more important to her I think. We were both Christians when we married.

Man I put her through the mill as an atheist. I kinda wonder at her mettle at surviving that. Still we have problems. Were our belief differences a contributing factor to tensions in the marriage? You betcha.

So I think it's a kinda sensible dictate.

I know exactly what you mean, I've been in a relationship with a muslim for the past 4 years and religion has always been a very sensitive topic for us.

(February 3, 2013 at 6:28 pm)Zone Wrote: The idea is two people of the same religion have children then the children are raised in that faith and so the religion propagates itself. Otherwise after a few generations if everyone married everyone the faith would get watered down and dissolved to nothing, they know full well that would happen.

Makes sense, but still sounds egotistical imo..

(February 3, 2013 at 7:31 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Welcome from me too, new blood! As will be very apparent, I'm most definitely not a religious person; however, my own take on your question would be that religion is astonishingly sectarian. Outsiders can be viewed with hostility and suspicion, which tend to increase the further outside the circle the outsider is standing. It's not just religion that causes this kind of divisional mistrust and enmity, of course, but it doesn't help.

@Fr00dy: Sure it's "yolked" and not "yoked"? Mind you don't end up with egg on your faith.

Religion doesn't help anything tbh, most wars were, and still are, a consequence of religious fools trying to see who's imaginary friend is the best. But anyways, I've felt that in my own skin as my boyfriend's family is muslim and even though I've always been polite and courteous while at their house they still won't trust me. His dad hates me even, I think that if he could kill me with his eyes he would lol
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RE: why does religion choose love
(February 4, 2013 at 6:49 am)nekographic Wrote:
(February 4, 2013 at 1:01 am)catfish Wrote: According to the text fr0d0, an unbeliever is sactified by their spouse too...
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well, that is true. I'm in a relationship with a muslim and even though we've been together for the past 4 years he's afraid of taking things further because of what his family will do (they know me but don't know we're dating). to me this is completely insane, that one's own family will put religion ahead of one's happyness.

Tell him god (Allah) probably wants him to be happy. There are words in the Quran that instruct the reader to honor the prior gospels...
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RE: why does religion choose love
It isn't hard to understand. Religions have the same loyalty expectations as politics. It is merely a reflection of our species real evolution of grouping to create greater chances of survival.

However, religion is not a science, it is a club, and because it sets up social norms who we "love" is sold as a meme to the culture. Thus it sets up ideas like pre arranged marriages, fear of interracial marriages or international marriages. (marrying outside your nationality), living in a relationship outside marriage.

Those superstitions get sold as social norms because of human ignorance.
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RE: why does religion choose love
(February 4, 2013 at 11:45 am)catfish Wrote:
(February 4, 2013 at 6:49 am)nekographic Wrote: well, that is true. I'm in a relationship with a muslim and even though we've been together for the past 4 years he's afraid of taking things further because of what his family will do (they know me but don't know we're dating). to me this is completely insane, that one's own family will put religion ahead of one's happyness.

Tell him god (Allah) probably wants him to be happy. There are words in the Quran that instruct the reader to honor the prior gospels...
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Allah isn't exactly his problem, his family is because if he tells them that he's dating me, being western and an atheist, they'll never accept me and will end up giving him an ultimatum, me or them |:

(February 4, 2013 at 12:09 pm)Brian37 Wrote: It isn't hard to understand. Religions have the same loyalty expectations as politics. It is merely a reflection of our species real evolution of grouping to create greater chances of survival.

However, religion is not a science, it is a club, and because it sets up social norms who we "love" is sold as a meme to the culture. Thus it sets up ideas like pre arranged marriages, fear of interracial marriages or international marriages. (marrying outside your nationality), living in a relationship outside marriage.

Those superstitions get sold as social norms because of human ignorance.

I completely agree with you, religion was fabricated by those in power to control the masses and to this day it's still used that way. Most people are just ignorant and gullible enough to believe them and don't even realize that there's a lot more to the world than what's in their holly books.
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RE: why does religion choose love
(February 4, 2013 at 4:58 pm)nekographic Wrote:
(February 4, 2013 at 11:45 am)catfish Wrote: Tell him god (Allah) probably wants him to be happy. There are words in the Quran that instruct the reader to honor the prior gospels...
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Allah isn't exactly his problem, his family is because if he tells them that he's dating me, being western and an atheist, they'll never accept me and will end up giving him an ultimatum, me or them |:

People like that follow their "religion" and their "religious texts".
Use those to argue for your case and you have a chance of gaining acceptance.
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