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Was pi invented or discovered?
5th May 2013, 03:22 (This post was last modified: 5th May 2013 03:22 by Darkstar.)
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(5th May 2013 03:17)ebg Wrote:  Another quote from star wars made by a gilrfriendless phylosopher of little true objective...

Girlfriendless I may be, but I am not a "phylosopher of little true objective" (whatever that means). I have not heard of phylosophers before, are they anything like philosophers?

(P.S. The original phrase was "May the power of Christ compel you", not anything from Star Wars)
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5th May 2013, 04:22
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Why it cannot be both, invented and discovered ? Smile
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5th May 2013, 04:28 (This post was last modified: 5th May 2013 05:05 by A_Nony_Mouse.)
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(6th March 2013 23:07)John V Wrote:  Thoughts?

The ratio was discovered. We still have not invented a way to represent it.

(6th March 2013 23:07)John V Wrote:  Thoughts?

The fundamental form of this question is, Were numbers discovered or invented?

It is a fairly simple answer once you recognize there are different kinds of numbers even though they appear to be the same.

Counting numbers are different from numbers used for calculation, numbers that operate upon each other. One can look at a number of things and count them as four things. One cannot add four apples and four bananas and four people and get twelve unless one abstracts to twelve things. One you abstract you are no longer counting but operating on numbers. Those are different kinds of numbers.

Counting is a trick we discovered but observing small numbers is something most animals can do. The can see the difference between one and two. Chimps can observe the difference up to five if I remember correctly. But none can abstract to calculate.

The trick of counting is an invention of sorts, very useful, but it is merely tagging what we see. What we do is no different from hanging numbered cards on things until we run out of things to hang cards on and then use the last number. It is a way to get beyond what we can observe without counting which is less than ten for most people. See chimps above.

So really all we did was come up with a gimmick to count more than we can observe. That is one kind of numbers. A rather uninteresting kind as the focus in the trick used.

Manipulating numbers is an incredibly recent event. Pi was "discovered" by the Greeks but they use geometry.
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5th May 2013, 11:40
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(5th May 2013 02:29)ebg Wrote:  4 years of college...and you all are so proud of yourselfs..like you all know everything, and "speakeths" such profound thoughts. Boring...you guys are so full of yourselfs its embarrassing. So, what! Oh, by the way..my dad was a surgeon, my brother in law a heart surgeon..but you guys are the type that don't get the girls!!
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5th May 2013, 15:30
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Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew = 7 words / The number of letters x the product of the letters / The number of the words x the product of the words / you get 3.1416 x 1000000000000000000 thats the value of Pi to four decimal places !
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5th May 2013, 16:42 (This post was last modified: 5th May 2013 17:12 by Chuck.)
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(5th May 2013 15:30)goodnews Wrote:  Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew = 7 words / The number of letters x the product of the letters / The number of the words x the product of the words / you get 3.1416 x 1000000000000000000 thats the value of Pi to four decimal places !

And the brain of men has since done 2.54142 trillion times (note the five decimal places right here) better than your poor omniscient and minipotent god!

Btw, what is with the x10000000000000000? you omniscient god is totally ignorant about the importance of getting the order of magnitude right?
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19th June 2013, 07:27
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So much fuss over something so beautiful, Pi is an endless number just as a circle is an endless line. In Pi one can find everyone's birth date from the beginning of time, everyone's street address is in Pi, even the distance from any point on earth to any other point can be found in Pi, all the phone numbers in the world are in Pi, Pi is a wonderful number no matter whether it was discovered or invented. Hurray for Pi.
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21st June 2013, 00:18
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(19th June 2013 07:27)Godschild Wrote:  So much fuss over something so beautiful, Pi is an endless number just as a circle is an endless line. In Pi one can find everyone's birth date from the beginning of time, everyone's street address is in Pi, even the distance from any point on earth to any other point can be found in Pi, all the phone numbers in the world are in Pi, Pi is a wonderful number no matter whether it was discovered or invented. Hurray for Pi.
Also: Hurray for most (i.e. I'm pretty sure the exceptions form a set of measure* zero) irrational numbers.

More to the point: Hurray for almost all real numbers. There is an uncountably infinite set of things to be amazed at here.
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21st June 2013, 02:37
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Pi isn't a thing, and was neither discovered or invented. It is a mathematical statement about a relationship.
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10th July 2013, 00:21
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(19th June 2013 07:27)Godschild Wrote:  So much fuss over something so beautiful, Pi is an endless number just as a circle is an endless line. In Pi one can find everyone's birth date from the beginning of time, everyone's street address is in Pi, even the distance from any point on earth to any other point can be found in Pi, all the phone numbers in the world are in Pi, Pi is a wonderful number no matter whether it was discovered or invented. Hurray for Pi.

A circle, by definition, is not a line.
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