Non-religious evidence for existence of God

[Kayenneh]

4. Quran is logical book, forbids what is harmful to humans even though they are anware that it is harmful to them, and allows them stuff wich are good to them even though they are not aware sometime that there is benefits in what God commands.

example: Pork is forbidden in quran

And preparing the pork, so that the internal temperature of the meat is 74oC for at least 15 seconds has nothing to do with edibility? What about bear, that during the years 97-01 in the USA was the more likely culprit for trichinellosis? What about eggs and poultry and salmonella, a much more common source of food related infection?

[ciko83]

Even we can see evidence of God existence in animals, they are equiped with capabilities for survival, HOW CAN; FISH, BUTTERFLY,caterpillars, SPIDERS HAVE BIG FALSE EYES ON THEIR BODIES, AND THEIR REAL SMALL ARE HIDDEN, BIG EYES ALWAYS ASSOCIATE WITH BIGGER ANIMALS SO THE PREDATORS WILL BE SCARED WHEN THEY SEE THEM. WHO DESIGNED THOSE ANIMALS, WHO EQUIPED THOSE SMALL ANIMALS WITH FALSE BIG EYES ON THEY BODIES SO THEY CAN SCARE PREDATORS AND SURVIVE. GOD OF COURSE


This fish have false eye close to the tail, while real small eye is covered with black string.

HOW CAN A SUCH SMALL FISH HAVE CAPABILITIES TO CREATE FALSE BIG EYE CLOSE TO THE TAIL, WHILE REAL SMAL EYES ARE HIDDEN. DOES THE FISH KNOW THAT FALSE BIG EYE resembles bigger animal so it can scare predators, and hide his own little eye with black string. No, the fish does not now that, it is God , who is the designer of this little fish, so he equips it with false big eye, and hide fish real eye.














do these animals know that they need big false eyes to scare predator, i dont think so, and even if they knew , how would they draw it on themselves. they cant, so it is God who provides protecting capabilities so they can avoid predators, or some of them.


no, i am not a bee, i am fly, God made me so to scare birds


Syrphidae
A yellow fly (Syrphida) on a yellow dandelion. The fly looks like a bee but it is not dangerous, it only scares birds.

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people, just look this example of creation of God

A turtle who have false worm in his mouth, so it can attract animals to his mouth, easy food




How God equips animals for their survival

Físh with fishing equipment



1 fishing rod
2 a fishing line
3 bait
4 hooks

Habitat: Deep Sea, Atlantic & Pacific
Status: Not listed


Most people have heard of the common Deep Sea Anglerfish or Fanfin Seadevil, because it looks like something out of a nightmare. But did you know that there's such a thing as a Wolftrap Anglerfish?

These creatures are pretty hideous - they're known as "complete anglerfish" because they contain all the necessary ingredients for one scary fish. Its lure apparatus consists of a fishing rod (the projecting basal bone or pteropterygium), a fishing line (the illicium, a modified dorsal fin ray), bait (the bioluminescent esca), and hooks (large dermal denticles).

It's also defined by its distinctive enormous upper jaw with premaxillaries that can be folded down to enclose the much shorter lower jaw.


TELL ME NOW HOW COULD THIS FICH CTREATE ON IT SELF

1 fishing rod
2 a fishing line
3 bait
4 hooks

DOES THIS FISH KNOW THAT IT NEEDS these parts to catch fish?
does non-thinking nature know that this anglerfish need these parts to catch the fish?

people signs of God are everywhere, you just need to look in right direction and you will find it even in your selves.

[frankiej]

This is getting almost unbearable... it was funny to begin with.

[Darwinian]

Will you please stop copying posts you've made on other forums and try to be original and debate what has actually been asked?

This is a warning!

[ciko83]

4. Quran is logical book, forbids what is harmful to humans even though they are anware that it is harmful to them, and allows them stuff wich are good to them even though they are not aware sometime that there is benefits in what God commands.

example: Pork is forbidden in quran

And preparing the pork, so that the internal temperature of the meat is 74oC for at least 15 seconds has nothing to do with edibility? What about bear, that during the years 97-01 in the USA was the more likely culprit for trichinellosis? What about eggs and poultry and salmonella, a much more common source of food related infection?

sister, do you know how much pork is harmful to you, it has nothing to do with the temperature

the problem is also in the fats of the pig, beacuse Pig cant remove toxins from the food so the pig restore it in the fat, and you eat those toxins with pork.

remember everything i claim i give evidence for it.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/474320...with-pork/



Pork in the form of ham, bacon, ribs and feet is a common part of many people's diet. It has been a controversial food for thousands of years, with warnings against eating it appearing in the Bible. Many Jews and Muslims avoid pork for sanitary and religious reasons. Many health authorities warn against eating too much pork because of digestive problems, toxicity and parasite infection.

Pork and Toxins

The quality of an animal's flesh is directly related to what it eats. The common pig will eat virtually anything, including dirt, decaying animal meat and vegetables, maggots and even its own waste products. According to "Nutritional Sciences," the meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge and can be 30 times more toxic than beef or venison. A main reason why beef has far fewer toxins is because of cows' vegetarian diet and their lengthy digestive process, which breaks down toxic substances. Further, a pig does not perspire like other mammals, so toxins stay within its flesh. According to "Nutrition and Public Health," consumption of fresh pork products can cause acute responses, such as inflammations of the appendix, gall bladder, stomach and intestines, as well as acute eczema, carbuncles and abscesses. These symptoms have also been linked with consuming cured and sausage meats.

Pork and Parasites

Pigs usually have over a dozen parasites infecting them, such as tapeworms, flukes, worms and trichinae, according to the "Professional Guide to Diseases." Without completely incinerating the flesh, there is no safe temperature at which pork can be cooked to ensure that all parasites, including their cysts and eggs, are killed. For this reason, it is estimated that pigs can transmit about 30 diseases to people, including being vectors for swine flu, according to "Human Biochemistry and Disease." The trichinae worm from the pig is especially harmful and can become lodged in your intestines, muscles, spinal cord or brain, resulting in the disease trichinosis. Trichinosis causes stomach and intestinal upset, gall bladder problems, rheumatism and meningitis.

Digestion Times

Of all the meat that people consume, pork is one of the most difficult to digest. According to "Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism," pork takes about five hours to digest, compared to 3.5 hours for beef, two hours for turkey, 1.5 hours for chicken and about 45 minutes for fish. The longer digestive time for pork suggests that the body has difficulty breaking down its flesh, fat and toxins. Further, if pork is eaten with fast-digesting foods, such as vegetables and fruit, then they are also held in the stomach for five hours, which can cause them to ferment and cause indigestion and flatulence.

Pork and Nitrites

According to "Contemporary Nutrition," cured and preserved pork products, such as sandwich meats, hot dogs and sausages, are packed with nitrites, which are associated with high levels of urea in the blood, gout, intestinal upset, brain tumors and leukemia.


Pig: Warehouse Parasites and Harmful Bacteria

Pigs are filthy animals, she usually eats everything given to him, either dirt or dead even his own feces or will he eat human feces. Pigs have a lazy nature, do not like sunlight, not like a stroll, really like to eat and sleep, has the most greedy nature. Increasing age, the pigs will be more stupid and lazy, do not have the will and struggled even to defend themselves only reluctantly.

Therefore, pigs, many cause disease in humans. Pigs are considered animals unfit for consumption. Among these parasites are as follows:

1. Worm Taenia solium


These parasites form a bubble-shaped larvae in pork or egg-shaped granules in pig intestines. If someone ate pork without cooking it well, then the bubble walls will be digested by the human stomach, and the larvae will then grow in the human intestine. This event will hinder development of the body and will form a tapeworm that can reach 10 feet in length, attached to the intestinal wall by his head and then absorb the elements of food in the stomach. It can cause a person to lack of blood and digestive disorders, because this worm can remove toxins.

If in a person - especially children-have been known to have these worms in the stomach, then he will experience feelings of anxiety or hysteria. Sometimes the larvae that is in the human intestinal tract is about to enter the blood circulation and continue to spread throughout the body, including brain, liver, spinal cord, and lungs. Under these conditions these worms can cause deadly diseases.

2. Worms Trichinila spiralis


These worms exist in pigs in the form of bubbles gently. If someone is eating without cooking pork well, then the bubbles - which contain the larvae of this worm - can live in human flesh and muscle, insulation between the lung and heart, and in other areas in the body. This worm attacks the muscles can cause tremendous pain and cause the movement is slow, plus it is difficult to do activities. Moderate presence in the bulkhead will be narrowing the breathing, which could end in death.

3. Worm Schistosoma japonicum


This is a worm that is more dangerous than Schistosoma worms, known in Egypt. And the pig is the only animal that contains this caciong. This worm can infect humans if they touch or wash with water containing larvae of this worm that usually comes from pig manure that goes into it. This worm can burn human skin and can sneak into the blood, lung, and liver. This worm is growing very rapidly, within a day could reach more than 20 000 eggs, which can burn skin, stomach and liver, sometimes can invade the brain and spinal cord that can cause paralysis and death

Worms Anklestoma


The larvae of this worm into the body by burning the skin when a person is walking, bathing or drinking contaminated water. These worms can cause diarrhea and bleeding in stool, which can lead to blood shortage, lack of protein in the body, swelling of the body and cause a child to experience delays in physical and mental growth, weak heart and can eventually cause death.




This pork meat brought from Food Land Supermarket, cooked thoroughly and reheated with microwave still the worms alive Can't beleive!!!!!

[Esquilax]

Do me a favor: point one out. Show me an organism that's like that, and I will go out and find you its evolutionary antecedents. I promise. Give me something to work with, and watch me go.

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Forgive me for skipping the rest of your post, but I think what I have to say here addresses a lot of what you were saying above this point anyway.

So, I watched the entire video and... you are aware that these points have been debunked years ago, right? The bacterial flagellum has a hypothetical evolutionary antecedent in the type 3 secretory system, something used by other bacteria that uses many of the same parts, but in different ways. Here's some references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_flagella
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13...mplex.html

The bacterial flagellum is not evidence for intelligent design. In fact, there's a legal precedent to support that! In 2005's Dover vs. Kitzmiller case on intelligent design, this very same flagellum was trotted out as evidence for design by one of the defense's key witnesses, and the guy got laughed out of court. The intelligent design proponents lost the case, and do you want to know the best part? The key witness who submitted the flagellum as evidence was none other than Michael Behe, the "scientist" in the video you provided. Your evidence is not as strong as you think.

Here's a little more on the case in question, if you're interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_...l_District
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Kitzmiller..._76_of_139 (Pay attention to page 76! )

And one more rebuttal of Behe's arguments for intelligent design, including the bacterial flagellum. Because I'm so nice : http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe.html

So... there you go! Asked and answered!

[ciko83]

here

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Forgive me for skipping the rest of your post, but I think what I have to say here addresses a lot of what you were saying above this point anyway.

So, I watched the entire video and... you are aware that these points have been debunked years ago, right? The bacterial flagellum has a hypothetical evolutionary antecedent in the type 3 secretory system, something used by other bacteria that uses many of the same parts, but in different ways. Here's some references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_flagella
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13...mplex.html

The bacterial flagellum is not evidence for intelligent design. In fact, there's a legal precedent to support that! In 2005's Dover vs. Kitzmiller case on intelligent design, this very same flagellum was trotted out as evidence for design by one of the defense's key witnesses, and the guy got laughed out of court. The intelligent design proponents lost the case, and do you want to know the best part? The key witness who submitted the flagellum as evidence was none other than Michael Behe, the "scientist" in the video you provided. Your evidence is not as strong as you think.

Here's a little more on the case in question, if you're interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_...l_District
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Kitzmiller..._76_of_139 (Pay attention to page 76! )

And one more rebuttal of Behe's arguments for intelligent design, including the bacterial flagellum. Because I'm so nice : http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe.html

So... there you go! Asked and answered!

bravo, you have shown to everybody now why atheists cant answer this difficult question.

you have not answered me my questions man?? you put link wich try to debunk inteligent deisgn, but i have not see any evidence from evoluitonist how this could evolve.

here we go again

How could non-thining nature create natural engine with 40 parts joined on correct places? how could nature put these parts like puzzles on correct places, logically inteklectual being iis that who think like that?

What is the evolutionary mechanism wich gives instructions to different parts of the natural engine so they connect on correct places so the engine could work properlly?

answer me with your own words, dont put link mambo jumbo from evolutionst

explain in simple language How could these evolve?

The intelligent design proponents lost the case, and do you want to know the best part? The key witness who submitted the flagellum as evidence was none other than Michael Behe, the "scientist" in the video you provided. Your evidence is not as strong as you think.

i have seen documentary about that, taht is the biggest joke i ever seen.
they used mouse trap to disprove irreducibly complexity, they removed one part of the mouse trap and mouse trap had another function like, like decoration

you can even watch it here




my question to them are, who had rotating propellers before bacteria and spermcells?

[Kayenneh]

Can't beleive!!!!!

Small wonder, since it's a hoax.

[paulpablo]

Have you heard of evolution? And the court case in America in which all the evidence for irreducible complexity was dismissed?
Even so why would god make a creature what is capable of crushing another smaller creature to death? Why give cats the brain processes which make them enjoy torturing other animals for hours? For every animal that's "created" with camouflage or mimicry or venom this makes another animal will go without a meal, or die from poison. Or what about parasites and worms that blind people in Africa small pox HIV and so on?

Like intelligent design, the concept it seeks to support, irreducible complexity has failed to gain any notable acceptance within the scientific community. One science writer called it a "full-blown intellectual surrender strategy."

"As expert testimony revealed, the qualification on what is meant by "irreducible complexity" renders it meaningless as a criticism of evolution. . In fact, the theory of evolution proffers adaptation as a well-recognized, well-documented explanation for how systems with multiple parts could have evolved through natural means."

But if you do have evidence for irreducible complexity and why evolution is wrong then it's a shame you couldn't attend the court case or present your findings, you should try and get in touch with biologists and nature experts and make sure you present them with your findings you're pretty much wasting your time on here.







And as for hamzas argument about who created the creator he just destroys his own argument and does it in a funny way to make people laugh, which is a common theme with him.
He says infinite regression is illogical, which is exactly the point.
If you say we are here, so logically something created us, you can't just then stop using that exact same logic all of a sudden that says things are here because they were created, you have to then say who created that creator if that's the logic you're using.

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my question to them are, who had rotating propellers before bacteria and spermcells?

My question is what life forms were there before bacterium?

[ciko83]

Can't beleive!!!!!

Small wonder, since it's a hoax.

is it, let see if it is hoax

here at hospital they test it with experiment, and look what they found, worms just like in that video




do you believe me now?