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Joking vs mockery, respect or disrespect?
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I don't know. Most humans believe in religion without every thinking about it. They simply believe from indoctrination. At least he has taken steps to discuss religion. That merits some respect.

As for his hate towards Atheists, it's obviously partially due to what his religion teaches regarding them and partially due to his own anecdotal experience with a very limited group of people (ie. into drugs, etc).

But this is true of everyone partially. We make judgements based on our beliefs of what is right or wrong, and our limited anecdotal experience, and generalize. I don't know, maybe this is from my upbringing in hadiths (make 70 excuses for your brother, and if you can't think of any excuse, say perhaps you don't know one - Prophet Mohammad).
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(April 2, 2013 at 12:02 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(April 2, 2013 at 12:01 pm)Joel Wrote: I usually respect people up until the point where they assert that they "know more than the people here."

In his case, it maybe due to mental illness. It's often people with mental illness feel they should be leaders and enlighten people, and know more then people in general.

So I say, always try to give the benefit of the doubt.

Right up until the way he argued with missluckie. He clearly displayed in that argument that he assumes no one here could possibly have worked as hard as him, and he thinks atheists are all numbnutted idiots. He doesn't think we try. He assumes we're awful people. And then when faced with someone like luckie, he says quietly "I don't know why god didn't answer you." Forget why god didn't. Why would you assume we're all bad people solely for not believing in god? Because you're a bigot.

He has mental issues, that's for sure, but being an asshole isn't one of them. That's another issue.
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#23
RE: Male Bats Caught Performing Oral Sex on Females
Why assume all people who think Atheists are bad people for not believing in God are bigots or assholes or bad people?

Majority of the world distrusts and dislikes Atheists. Religions like Islam and Christianity teach not only are Atheists doomed to hell, but so are non-believers in general? Are they all bigots? Or are they misguided?

I am betting Jstrodel outside the forums, has an "off" switch, where he just perceives people without religion time to time. But when he comes on here, it's obviously on, so you just see the indoctrinated preaching side of him.
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RE: Male Bats Caught Performing Oral Sex on Females
(April 2, 2013 at 12:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Why assume all people who think Atheists are bad people for not believing in God are bigots or assholes or bad people?

Majority of the world distrusts and dislikes Atheists. Religions like Islam and Christianity teach not only are Atheists doomed to hell, but so are non-believers in general? Are they all bigots? Or are they misguided?

I am betting Jstrodel outside the forums, has an "off" switch, where he just perceives people without religion time to time. But when he comes on here, it's obviously on, so you just see the indoctrinated preaching side of him.

I don't think that of all people - just people that demonstrate that they're bigots or assholes.
(March 30, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Never read anything immoral in the Qur'an.
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What's the criteria of being an asshole or bigot?
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#26
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(April 2, 2013 at 12:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Why assume all people who think Atheists are bad people for not believing in God are bigots or assholes or bad people?

Because unless you live in a hole in the ground, chances are you have encountered people in real life who do not believe in god, or who do not believe in your god, and it takes terribly childish behavior - terribly bigoted behavior - to continue to think that they are horrible people in the face of evidence to the contrary.

We do not live in an isolated world any more. And if you are on the internet, you're even less isolated.
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(April 2, 2013 at 11:38 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: As far as Chad's comment, he opened himself up for a joke and I took it. This doesn't constitute as "bitter" - merely that I'm snarky enough to make a salad-tossing joke at anyone who presents the opportunity... I'm not disrespecting Chad. I'm fuckin' with him.
And I was making light of the topic myself so I was expecting some kind of clever response, so that I could laugh at myself. I mean really, this is thread about carpet-munching bats, so its not exactly a serious philosophical thread.
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#28
RE: Male Bats Caught Performing Oral Sex on Females
(April 2, 2013 at 12:24 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote:
(April 2, 2013 at 12:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Why assume all people who think Atheists are bad people for not believing in God are bigots or assholes or bad people?

Because unless you live in a hole in the ground, chances are you have encountered people in real life who do not believe in god, or who do not believe in your god, and it takes terribly childish behavior - terribly bigoted behavior - to continue to think that they are horrible people in the face of evidence to the contrary.

We do not live in an isolated world any more. And if you are on the internet, you're even less isolated.

No that takes rational thinking. I know as a Muslim before, I had an "on" and "off" switch. I didn't realize this on and off switch till after disbelieving.

You see good in people, you thank people, but then you read they are evil unjust people condemned to hell.

It's a contradiction.

But most of the time, they have the "off" switch on. However, when they are debating on the internet, they will have the "on" switch.

And person that solely lives on the switch, is severely indoctrinated. And indoctrination is like a illness to an extent that you have to defeat.

My mom once when reading Suratal Kaffiroon, came up to me, and points at me "for being a disbeliever". Most of the time, she treats me with respect though.

I don't even know if it's cognitive dissonance, or it's something else....but I would be upset if say a very minority of humans had it. But seeing the majority has it, I'm not saying there isn't choice, but there is a lot of factors and influence in this double thinking.

From naturalism perspective, perhaps it was necessary to honour your own people, while at the same time dishonouring your enemies, while at the same time honouring their humanity when at peace and having good relationships with them when at peace. Perhaps evolution produced this double thinking.
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#29
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Chad: Well there we go.

I'm sorry, Mystic, because you seem to genuinely want to be nice to everyone and that takes a lot of patience. Patience I don't have. When someone continuously shows they'd rather be a sanctimonious jerk than have real and meaningful discussion, I have no respect or "niceness" left for them.

Cognitive dissonance is part of being a bigot, and it's a weird thing no doubt about it.

(I have patience for you, that is, just not for strodel and his ilk.)
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That's ok thesummerqueen. I understand. But what I'm saying is that a lot of it is misunderstanding.

A Christian comes on Muslim forum preaching and looks narrow minded to the Muslims there. A Muslim does the same on a Christian forum and looks narrow minded there.

Atheists on religious forums look arrogant often to the people there.

And this get's amplified by how passionate they are about showing their viewpoint.

If an Atheist for example constantly is trying to show religion false on a religious forum, like on an Islamic forum, he will look like Jstrodel on here.

The foreigner that comes to preach his views - ouch look out.
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