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Hell
#21
RE: Hell
Prove me wrong. Of course you won't.
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#22
RE: Hell
(April 29, 2013 at 2:11 am)wwjs Wrote: Prove me wrong. Of course you won't.

You're the one making the claim I'm afraid, the burden of proof belongs to you, my friend.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#23
RE: Hell
God exists, prove me wrong, wwjs...
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#24
RE: Hell
(April 29, 2013 at 2:21 am)Godschild Wrote: You're the one making the claim I'm afraid, the burden of proof belongs to you, my friend.
Ok, after describing hell and talking about how God is like you now talk about burden of proof that you are not afraid? Do you realize what a hypocrite it makes you?
(April 29, 2013 at 2:23 am)catfish Wrote: God exists, prove me wrong, wwjs...
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He does exist. He's a space lizard. Prove me wrong.
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#25
RE: Hell
(April 29, 2013 at 2:33 am)wwjs Wrote:
(April 29, 2013 at 2:21 am)Godschild Wrote: You're the one making the claim I'm afraid, the burden of proof belongs to you, my friend.
Ok, after describing hell and talking about how God is like you now talk about burden of proof that you are not afraid? Do you realize what a hypocrite it makes you?

It doesn't make me a hypocrite, I've explained my beliefs, I do not speculate on what ifs, you're the one who believes I'm afraid and the burden of proof lies in your court.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#26
RE: Hell
This trully evil doctrin which is found in most religions is traced back to the early Egyptians and there pagan myth "Amenti", the proof of which is carved in stone, The Greeks borrowing this myth, called their version "Hades", where we get the old english/gothic word Hell, However Hades can also mean the unseen or GRAVE ie: {realm of the dead} The Hebrew word for the {realm of the dead} is Sheol and so here is how this evil doctrin found its way into "christiandom" by the bad translation of words eg: "everlasting punishment" should be translated "age of chastisement" There is not one verse in the Bible that speeks of an everlasting punishment of painfull torture , but it does speek of "an age in the GRAVE" This is scriptual fact, which can be proved, but this is a most cherished doctrin of "christiandom" as they relish the idea of themselfs liveing in paradise whilst 95% of the rest of humanity are roasted alive in endless pain, so they will cling to this man made un-scriptual doctrin, takeing it with them to the grave along with all their other long list of vain blasphemous doctrins Fortunatly they will be purged of these evils, with the rest of us, with righteous judgement in Gods lake of fire.
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#27
RE: Hell
In yoga it is said that God can not do two things.
One is that he-she can not create an other God.
The second thing is that he can not hate anybody.
Why is that so?
If he would hate someone by giving him-her eternal punishment (hell) then it would be clear that in his creation he did not do the right thing so he would not be a perfect entity.
God is the supreme entity just because is perfect and a perfect entity can not create something that is not perfect which destiny is to rot in hell.

Hell has always existed in the sick mind of several religious organization but is the roman church that push this belief over and over in order to control the people mind like to say............if you do what i tell you you go to paradise if not you go to hell.

There is no hell outside this dimension in which we create our own destiny in the good and in the bed.
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#28
RE: Hell
(April 29, 2013 at 3:51 am)goodnews Wrote: The Hebrew word for the {realm of the dead} is Sheol and so here is how this evil doctrin found its way into "christiandom" by the bad translation of words eg: "everlasting punishment" should be translated "age of chastisement"

Do you profess to be a Biblical scholar in translation?

gn Wrote:There is not one verse in the Bible that speeks of an everlasting punishment of painfull torture , but it does speek of "an age in the GRAVE" This is scriptual fact, which can be proved, but this is a most cherished doctrin of "christiandom" as they relish the idea of themselfs liveing in paradise whilst 95% of the rest of humanity are roasted alive in endless pain, so they will cling to this man made un-scriptual doctrin, takeing it with them to the grave along with all their other long list of vain blasphemous doctrins Fortunatly they will be purged of these evils, with the rest of us, with righteous judgement in Gods lake of fire.

Where did you get 95% from, seems much to high when you look at the data of how many Christians are in the world.
Matt. 25:45-46 "Then He will answer them, saying, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Jude 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
2 Thess. 1:9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His might,

(April 29, 2013 at 4:57 am)enrico Wrote: In yoga it is said that God can not do two things.
One is that he-she can not create an other God.
The second thing is that he can not hate anybody.
Why is that so?

God is love and to create another God would put people in conflict which would not be a loving act.
God is love, he hates not the person but, the persons actions that are sinful.

enrico Wrote:If he would hate someone by giving him-her eternal punishment (hell) then it would be clear that in his creation he did not do the right thing so he would not be a perfect entity.
God is the supreme entity just because is perfect and a perfect entity can not create something that is not perfect which destiny is to rot in hell


He did do the right thing, man brought sin into the world through disobedience, and unrepented disobedience results in one going to hell, God has given man a way of repentance through Christ.
You are evoking destiny, God gives man the choice of repentance through Christ or, to reject Christ and the forgiveness that come through Him. Man chooses his place in eternity, and through God's grace it is granted.

enrico Wrote:Hell has always existed in the sick mind of several religious organization but is the roman church that push this belief over and over in order to control the people mind like to say............if you do what i tell you you go to paradise if not you go to hell.


I do not belong to the Roman Catholic Church, they are pushing nothing on me. Hell is part of the OT, this belief came long before the Roman Catholic Church. God gives you a choice, so why would you choose an eternity in hell, to me this makes no sense.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#29
RE: Hell
Here is how you got duped "EONIAN" = age lasting not eternal / "AION" = an age / "aionios" = permits to an age / "ETERNUS" is latin word, and traces its etymology to the Greek word "AION" / "ETERNUS" never ever meant "ENDLESS TIME" this came about hundreds of years after the Bible was completed, and the catholic church began to teach that the words "the noun AION and the adjective AIONIOS" means "ENDLESS AGE" so here you have it, the word "EONION" means "AGE ABIDING" and therefore there is no such word in the scriptures as "eternal" and Dictionarys bare wittness to this folly, If you can grasp this FACT then I will adress the scriptures you gave. I understand this will not come easy, truth seldom does, but remember, its not your fault, you have bean deceived from birth, by a system of complete coruption .
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#30
RE: Hell
Quote:Godschild........God is love, he hates not the person but, the persons actions that are sinful.

There is no such a thing as a sin in God vision.
Sin is the creation of the priests sick minds in order to control the people and to procastinate their authority.
God created all the elements needed in this universe.
Like the meccano parts we try to put these elements together in order to facilitated our journey towards the goal of life.
Sometime we do mistakes and we pay for it but like your child that do some mistakes you would not send him-her to hell.
You rather would try to rectify these mistakes in one way or another.
Why would you send your kids to hell?
If you do i would say that you are really sick in your mind.



Quote:He did do the right thing, man brought sin into the world through disobedience, and unrepented disobedience results in one going to hell, God has given man a way of repentance through Christ.


I am afraid that your mind is full of dogmas (false truth).
If is true that one can be saved through Christ then how those who born before him could be saved?
And those born in different part of the world that never heard about him? And those born under different religions that have no choice in deciding to change religion?
Are you joking?
I really think that you are totally brain washed by the religious dogmas.


Quote:You are evoking destiny, God gives man the choice of repentance through Christ or, to reject Christ and the forgiveness that come through Him. Man chooses his place in eternity, and through God's grace it is granted.


Where is the evidence that only through Christ we can be saved?
And why should we be saved considering that we are all God sons.
Why God would save you and not me?
Would you discriminate amongts your sons?
If you do you would not be a good father.
Again you are totally floating in religious dogmas.


Quote:I do not belong to the Roman Catholic Church, they are pushing nothing on me. Hell is part of the OT, this belief came long before the Roman Catholic Church. God gives you a choice, so why would you choose an eternity in hell, to me this makes no sense.

1) It is true that the dogma of hell came before the Roman church but as i said is also true that is the Roman church that in middle ages push this false belief over and over again.
2) God does not give a choice. He give you infinite choice until you rectify your mistakes by the karma law.
3) There is NO eternity in hell and there is no hell at all except in the mind of people who float in religious dogmas (false truth).Angel
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