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RE: Best Argument Against God
April 30, 2013 at 12:46 pm
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(April 30, 2013 at 12:24 pm)goodnews Wrote: As no one has yet to find a shred of irrefutable proof there is not a God,
This is the exact opposite of the correct way to think about existential claims.
The correct method is to disbelieve a claim until it has been supported with sufficient demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument, not to believe it until it is disproved.
If you go about believing claims until they are disproved, this opens you up to having to believe in every unproved claim until it is disproved. But of course you don't do that, do you? I'll bet you only apply your "believe it until disproved" method to your god claim.
Quote:and as it is credible even logical, that we are still in a process of being created, why go against an unknown ?
There is zero valid and sound logic that supports your contention that we are "still being created".
If you are admitting it is an unknown, why are you labeling it 'god'?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Best Argument Against God
April 30, 2013 at 2:38 pm
God is not unknown to me, hence I am not arguing against His existence, I also know why you do eg: A person can not aply logic to an unknown, unless they first comprehend the purpose there of, eg: Early colonials in Africa would trade with the native people, they had not seen steel before and a cast iron three leg pot was extremely valuable, the colonials would take advantage of these natives by barttering them their lead musket balls as seeds, they told them they would grow into these steel pots, Sadly feilds of these neatly spased lead musket balls have bean found. If it was Gods will for you to believe in Him at this time you would. ps: I dont expect you to understand this either!
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RE: Best Argument Against God
April 30, 2013 at 4:37 pm
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(April 30, 2013 at 2:38 pm)goodnews Wrote: If it was Gods will for you to believe in Him at this time you would.
So he doesn't want us to believe in him? Not surprising, he would have to be pretty incompetent for an omnipotent being to fail to have proven his existence by now if he actually wanted people to believe in him.
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RE: Best Argument Against God
April 30, 2013 at 4:55 pm
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(April 30, 2013 at 12:24 pm)goodnews Wrote: As no one has yet to find a shred of irrefutable proof there is not a God, and as it is credible even logical, that we are still in a process of being created, why go against an unknown ?
What irrefutable proof do you have that Allah, Vishnu, Ahura Mazda, Zeus, and Thor are not real?
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RE: Best Argument Against God
April 30, 2013 at 5:28 pm
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Well deduced Darkstar, without realizing it, you now know more about the sovereignty of God than most Christians ! Do you know that to induce vomiting, drink warm water, God likes us to be hot or cold, as He makes it perfectly clear, He will spit out those who are warm. A true atheist can not hate a God, he does not believe exists ! A true theist can not hate God, as he is without doubt that God does exist ! so there you have it neither of us hate God, I just happen to love Him. But not of my own doing, be it I should boast.
What irrefutable proof do I have that these past and present pagan gods are not real, I have discovered copious amounts of such proof, all of which you will refute, and the proof thereof I have also found !
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RE: Best Argument Against God
May 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm
(April 30, 2013 at 5:28 pm)goodnews Wrote: A true atheist can not hate a God, he does not believe exists ! A true theist can not hate God, as he is without doubt that God does exist !
I don't agree with the second part.
To hate something you must first believe it exists so to hate god you must be a theist. 
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RE: Best Argument Against God
May 1, 2013 at 4:10 pm
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(May 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I don't agree with the second part.
To hate something you must first believe it exists so to hate god you must be a theist.
No. If you hate god, that just means you aren't a True Theist™. Everyone knows that! 
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