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Is there any God that a theist rejects?
#21
RE: Is there any God that a theist rejects?
When one understands the volume of scripture, it is very clear, that us men can not understand what the force/power/energy which brought forth our existance is, but the scriptures do explain how, so here is the dilemma, as we can not comprehend this force/power/energy we can not label it or name it, so to try make sense of things we have called this anomaly (G)od . We also know that this God was alone, as the scriptures tell us the first creature to come out from this God was a Son and this son was how this God brought the universe into being, So just to recap , the force/power/energy which always has bean, became the Father, by bringing forth the God of scripture, and that God emptied Himself of His divine spirit, and was born a man called Jesus, But Jesus the God of scripture, was only a God to the Isrealites, the rest of mankind was under the rule of Satan, hence they worshiped there own gods/ idols, Satan is the (g)od of earth and first heaven, who is also subject to The father, You see Satan had the power over death, reason being the price for sin is death, and all men are with sin and Jesus haveing paid that price, with His blood sacrifice was without sin, so The Father was able to resurrect Him, so Jesus took the power over death back from Satan. So their you have it, their is only one God The Father, Jesus is His first Son and we at the completion of our salvation, which is part our creation will be all children of God and bretheren to Jesus , and the whole point of this is because God wants a family in His own image and that being benevolent spiritual beings. { Think about it, if God our Father had decided to give us this lesson of understanding good and evil in spiritual bodies , we would have destroyed the universe by now } Now before you pick through this with scorn and bias, keap in mind this is what the scriptures do testify to, I have just summed it up, the bit in brackets is my own opinion, and therefore not worth much attention.
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#22
RE: Is there any God that a theist rejects?
I think I read your biography when I was a kid...

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#23
RE: Is there any God that a theist rejects?
(May 14, 2013 at 6:50 am)goodnews Wrote: When one understands the volume of scripture, it is very clear, that us men can not understand what the force/power/energy which brought forth our existance is, but the scriptures do explain how, so here is the dilemma, as we can not comprehend this force/power/energy we can not label it or name it, so to try make sense of things we have called this anomaly (G)od
Actually, the whole god bit wasn;t invented as a way to reconcile anything like this, as we had no comprehension of it at the time. More prosaicly, god was invented and leveraged to explain things much, much closer to home and our everyday experience. That it failed in this regard is the very reason that you and yours now push it back to the fringes and insist that it always belonged there. No dice. Who but god could have made leviathan? Jerkoff

Quote:We also know that this God was alone, as the scriptures tell us the first creature to come out from this God was a Son and this son was how this God brought the universe into being,
You know no such thing.

Quote:So just to recap , the force/power/energy which always has bean, became the Father, by bringing forth the God of scripture, and that God emptied Himself of His divine spirit, and was born a man called Jesus, But Jesus the God of scripture, was only a God to the Isrealites, the rest of mankind was under the rule of Satan, hence they worshiped there own gods/ idols, Satan is the (g)od of earth and first heaven, who is also subject to The father,
Cool story bro

Quote: You see Satan had the power over death, reason being the price for sin is death, and all men are with sin and Jesus haveing paid that price, with His blood sacrifice was without sin, so The Father was able to resurrect Him, so Jesus took the power over death back from Satan.
Death is the cessation of biological function and yet another expression of the tendency of things to move from order to disorder. Death is not a cosmic toll booth. There was no sacrifice, there was no resurrection, and only the very worst kind of person even wishes for this abhorrent garbage.

Quote: So their you have it, their is only one God The Father, Jesus is His first Son and we at the completion of our salvation, which is part our creation will be all children of God and bretheren to Jesus , and the whole point of this is because God wants a family in His own image and that being benevolent spiritual beings.
I don't have anything more now then the fairy tale I had before you chose to recite it. Count me out on this brothers of christ shit - I'm not interested.

Quote:{ Think about it, if God our Father had decided to give us this lesson of understanding good and evil in spiritual bodies , we would have destroyed the universe by now } Now before you pick through this with scorn and bias, keap in mind this is what the scriptures do testify to, I have just summed it up, the bit in brackets is my own opinion, and therefore not worth much attention.
I'll make you a deal, I'll "think about it" just as soon as you show any evidence of having thought about it yourself, how does that sound? Scriptures don't testify, they are tortured into confirmation.
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#24
RE: Is there any God that a theist rejects?
(May 11, 2013 at 2:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You're joking... we argue about it all the time. Rayaan was arguing me this week about the differences between Allah and God. Muslims hold that they are the same, Christians disagree. Non trinitarian christians, such as Mormons, Jehovah's witnesses etc vehemently disagree. I've had discussions with many. Hindus never, I don't know why, as I know a few. The root idea I'd the same for all faiths IMO, it's just the fine points which separate gods. And enlightenment without gods still touches upon the same subject matter: purpose.

Well, Middle Eastern Christians agree with the Muslims that the word for God is 'Allah'. If you're going to reject Allah as being the same God despite being Abrahamic due to differences in interpretation, you may as well throw out the Jewish God too, because he doesn't have much in common with the NT one.
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#25
RE: Is there any God that a theist rejects?
Even if they use the same word, the Muslim Allah is not the same by some stretch, where the Judaic God is exactly the god of the OT. Yes Jesus changed the interpretation considerably, and here's the difference, in line with what any Jew would have done.
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#26
RE: Is there any God that a theist rejects?
(May 14, 2013 at 1:39 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Even if they use the same word, the Muslim Allah is not the same by some stretch, where the Judaic God is exactly the god of the OT. Yes Jesus changed the interpretation considerably, and here's the difference, in line with what any Jew would have done.

The god of the Qu'ran is WAY closer to the god of the OT than the God of the NT is.

Saying the Judaic God is exactly the the god of the OT is a bit redundant, don't you think?
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#27
RE: Is there any God that a theist rejects?
The Judaic God is identical to the OT God. They are one and the same. That God doesn't change in the NT. He is further revealed.

Allah, on the other hand, has contradictory attributes with the Judaic God. Yes, neither are tripartite. And that's a big difference.
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#28
RE: Is there any God that a theist rejects?
...lol
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#29
RE: Is there any God that a theist rejects?
OK OK :p :D
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#30
RE: Is there any God that a theist rejects?
(May 14, 2013 at 6:50 am)goodnews Wrote: When one understands the volume of scripture, it is very clear, that us men can not understand what the force/power/energy which brought forth our existance is, but the scriptures do explain how ...

Really, scriptures explain how our world was brought to existence (?), please do tell, I really want to Know Angel
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