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This Should Get Interesting....
#31
RE: This Should Get Interesting....
Re-read my response. I clearly state: Alright, you don't say gay men rape children...
Here's how it all went down:
I'm reading through the thread, something doesn't sit quite right with me, and OMG!!! I made a mistake. Something that never happens to anyone...
I do go on to clearly explain what I was taking issue with, minus the gay attachment to sexual predators.
And just for good measure:
I, FESTIVE1, MADE A MISTAKE. AT NO POINT DID IDEOLOGUE08 STATE THAT GAY MEN RAPE CHILDREN. MY MOST SINCEREST APOLOGIES FOR ANY SLIGHT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN TAKEN FROM MY HONEST MISTAKEN PERCEPTION AND INFERENCE.
There, happy?
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#32
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(May 24, 2013 at 10:13 am)festive1 Wrote: Where did you assume gay men want to rape boys?
(May 23, 2013 at 9:38 pm)ideologue08 Wrote: I'm skeptical... what if the scout leaders just want to bang the shit out of the young gay boys? They might be a target in any sexual assault.

This... Alright, you don't say gay men rape children, however, this seems to imply the scout leaders are all sexual predators and want to bang boys, especially the gay ones...
(May 24, 2013 at 10:17 am)ideologue08 Wrote: I'm still waiting for a quote where I apparently said or assumed that gay men want to rape boys.

I think she nailed it. Scout leaders = men (sometimes gay) and "young gay boys" pretty much says it all. If that's not what you meant perhaps you were saying you're more concerned with the straight scout leaders preying on gay boy scouts? That seem to fit better with the profile of sexual predators.

(May 24, 2013 at 10:44 am)festive1 Wrote: Re-read my response. I clearly state: Alright, you don't say gay men rape children...
Here's how it all went down:
I'm reading through the thread, something doesn't sit quite right with me, and OMG!!! I made a mistake. Something that never happens to anyone...
I do go on to clearly explain what I was taking issue with, minus the gay attachment to sexual predators.
And just for good measure:
I, FESTIVE1, MADE A MISTAKE. AT NO POINT DID IDEOLOGUE08 STATE THAT GAY MEN RAPE CHILDREN. MY MOST SINCEREST APOLOGIES FOR ANY SLIGHT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN TAKEN FROM MY HONEST MISTAKEN PERCEPTION AND INFERENCE.
There, happy?

Meh, don't sweat it. Mr. Ideologue is a self professed drama king.
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#33
RE: This Should Get Interesting....
I thought you were still justifying your accusation because it seemed as though you were deflecting. At least you have the honesty of admitting to a mistake, something that cannot be said for most people on this forum (including myself at times, but I'm working on it...)

(May 24, 2013 at 10:45 am)whateverist Wrote: I think she nailed it. Scout leaders = men (sometimes gay) and "young gay boys" pretty much says it all. If that's not what you meant perhaps you were saying you're more concerned with the straight scout leaders preying on gay boy scouts? That seem to fit better with the profile of sexual predators.
Sorry, how does what I said imply that I equated homosexuality with pedophilia? I don't know what point you're trying to make here...

Moreover, I didn't call myself a drama king, you called me a drama queen so I was wondering why you used the word "queen" instead of "king". You're the one that put the label on me, I didn't put it on myself. Smile
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#34
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(May 24, 2013 at 8:10 am)A Theist Wrote: hmmmm...there goes the morally straight part of the Boy Scout oath...looks like the BSA leadership caved to the pressures of political leftwing and gay activism...the left executes a far better campaign of harassment, bullying and propaganda...conservatives need to step up the pace if they want to put this run amuck leftist activism in check...

Yeah - your world is crashing down. Maybe you should go kill yourself so "jesus" can comfort you?
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#35
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(May 23, 2013 at 9:12 pm)whateverist Wrote: They won't be fully gay friendly until they create a BJ badge, one for given one for received.
Already handled, they just don't talk about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouting_sex_abuse_cases

Honestly, any organization that gathers children like iron filings to a magnet is going to have the same effect on sex offenders. It's no different than the RCC in this regard. The manner in which cases and accusations of sexual abuse were handled is eerily similar to the way that the church handled their own. Course, they were both reading from the same playbook...so I guess that's to be expected.

One of the few decisions I can remember my father making for me was to opt out of scouting. He went to a meeting, thinking about getting me into it, and decided that it wasn't for him, and it wasn't for me. Good man. I still managed to learn how to tie a knot.
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#36
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(May 24, 2013 at 11:15 am)Minimalist Wrote:
(May 24, 2013 at 8:10 am)A Theist Wrote: hmmmm...there goes the morally straight part of the Boy Scout oath...looks like the BSA leadership caved to the pressures of political leftwing and gay activism...the left executes a far better campaign of harassment, bullying and propaganda...conservatives need to step up the pace if they want to put this run amuck leftist activism in check...

Yeah - your world is crashing down. Maybe you should go kill yourself so "jesus" can comfort you?
I think it's going to be your world crashing down sonny buck...Especially with all the IRS scandal targeting conservative groups and the DOJ targeting journalists they don't like...I hope the Republicans can stretch this all out in time for the mid terms...Me kill myself? Why don't you come and try to do the job yourself? I'll wait for you...but you better pray to Jesus first.
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#37
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Isn't it funny the how anti-homosexual crowd is always worried about whether someone with the same genitalia is pining after theirs? What does it matter as long as they aren't in your face about it? Do they level this same amount of concern towards everyone of the opposite gender?


(May 24, 2013 at 9:22 am)A Theist Wrote: The issue may not be as much with the adult leadership as it would with gay boys having a physical and sexual attraction to other boys...

What difference does that matter? We have boys and girls together in classrooms and such. How come the sexual attraction there isn't a problem?

The only problem I see is the outdated religious attitude towards sexual attraction, and the fact that some people just can't let it go.
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#38
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Quote:Isn't it funny the how anti-homosexual crowd is always worried about whether someone with the same genitalia is pining after theirs?


I suspect latent tendencies. A-T strikes me as the type to be frequenting gay bars on the down low and claiming to be a fine "Amurrican" while the sun is shining.

Yeah - go kill yourself..the world won't miss you.

Meanwhile in the real world....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/h...story.html

Quote:“Frankly, I can’t imagine a Southern Baptist pastor who would continue to allow his church to sponsor a Boy Scout troop under these new rules,” Richard Land, a senior Southern Baptist Conference official, told the SBC’s news agency, Baptist Press.

Quote:“We grieve today, not because we are faced with leaving Scouting, but because the Boy Scouts of America has left us,” Stemberger said. “Its leadership has turned its back on 103 years of abiding by a mission to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices.”

Yes...the Boy Scouts. Making bigots out of children for 103 years!
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#39
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All this tough guy talk is making my loins tingle.
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#40
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(May 24, 2013 at 7:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I suspect latent tendencies. A-T strikes me as the type to be frequenting gay bars on the down low and claiming to be a fine "Amurrican" while the sun is shining.

From the pictures he's posted I thought his stance might be a little wide .. not that there is anything wrong with that.
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