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RE: What is "FAITH"
June 21, 2013 at 12:52 am
(June 20, 2013 at 4:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: For a bunch that has no faith in anything you sure seem to have a lot of opinions about faith. You know what they say about opinions, right. You should try and experience faith before running it into the ground.
To what end? At least opinions are usually based on some fact or another. Faith is not. You might as well have faith in the tooth fairy.
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RE: What is "FAITH"
June 21, 2013 at 1:45 am
(June 20, 2013 at 9:09 pm)Strongbad Wrote: "notitia" is total bullshit.
Faith is merely the gullibility to believe the claims made by others, without evidence.
The "oh no it isn't" argument.
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RE: What is "FAITH"
June 21, 2013 at 1:49 am
(June 21, 2013 at 1:45 am)fr0d0 Wrote: (June 20, 2013 at 9:09 pm)Strongbad Wrote: "notitia" is total bullshit.
Faith is merely the gullibility to believe the claims made by others, without evidence.
The "oh no it isn't" argument.
The "I can't make a real response" argument.
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"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
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RE: What is "FAITH"
June 21, 2013 at 1:50 am
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(June 20, 2013 at 9:23 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Quote: assensus (intellectual assent),
This is the weakest link. All sorts of erronious reasoning could lead to thinking that Christianity is true/false.
Quote: and fiducia (committed trust).
Given the above, this now works against the concept of Faith. Do you trust that you trust your reasoning is valid?
Yes we are dependent on clear thinking, and continued sanity.
The best any human can do is to try hard to work out what is true.
(June 21, 2013 at 1:49 am)orogenicman Wrote: (June 21, 2013 at 1:45 am)fr0d0 Wrote: The "oh no it isn't" argument.
The "I can't make a real response" argument.
The response to "oh no it isn't" is "oh yes it is". But then you would be making an equally vapid statement.
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RE: What is "FAITH"
June 21, 2013 at 2:41 am
(June 21, 2013 at 1:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: (June 20, 2013 at 9:23 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: This is the weakest link. All sorts of erronious reasoning could lead to thinking that Christianity is true/false.
Given the above, this now works against the concept of Faith. Do you trust that you trust your reasoning is valid?
Yes we are dependent on clear thinking, and continued sanity.
The best any human can do is to try hard to work out what is true.
(June 21, 2013 at 1:49 am)orogenicman Wrote: The "I can't make a real response" argument.
The response to "oh no it isn't" is "oh yes it is". But then you would be making an equally vapid statement.
Wow, yet another "I can't make a real response" argument. You should quit now before you embarrass yourself. Oh wait...
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- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
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RE: What is "FAITH"
June 21, 2013 at 3:09 am
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Seriously orogenicman, what is there to respond to in strongbads post?
He said "it's bullshit". Then an ignorant statement, given what he's just supposedly read, about faith.
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RE: What is "FAITH"
June 21, 2013 at 6:00 am
(June 21, 2013 at 3:09 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Seriously orogenicman, what is there to respond to in strongbads post?
He said "it's bullshit". Then an ignorant statement, given what he's just supposedly read, about faith.
Well, he's right. It is bullshit. I don't expect you to believe it, but surely there is a better argument to be made than the one you presented. Or not.
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- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
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RE: What is "FAITH"
June 21, 2013 at 6:05 am
(June 21, 2013 at 6:00 am)orogenicman Wrote: (June 21, 2013 at 3:09 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Seriously orogenicman, what is there to respond to in strongbads post?
He said "it's bullshit". Then an ignorant statement, given what he's just supposedly read, about faith.
Well, he's right. It is bullshit. I don't expect you to believe it, but surely there is a better argument to be made than the one you presented. Or not.
Yes, seriously, Orogenicman, what is there to respond to? The indolent clown has trotted out Ryft’s flowery prose about faith, which is supposed to be swallowed as some sort of authoritative definition. Did you seriously expect him to give a meaningful response to “except for one little thing…the notitia is bullshit”? What else can he say except “oh no it isn’t!”? It’s not like he’s actually going to provide evidence that “sin” is anything but a man-made concept designed to intimidate and control, e.g. “You’re a sinner and you’re going to hell unless you do what I tell you should do”. And of course, you didn’t expect him to prove that Jesus really existed, and that stories of his supposed “sacrifice” are anything more than fairy tales, did you?
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RE: What is "FAITH"
June 21, 2013 at 6:09 am
(June 21, 2013 at 6:05 am)Strongbad Wrote: (June 21, 2013 at 6:00 am)orogenicman Wrote: Well, he's right. It is bullshit. I don't expect you to believe it, but surely there is a better argument to be made than the one you presented. Or not.
Yes, seriously, Orogenicman, what is there to respond to? The indolent clown has trotted out Ryft’s flowery prose about faith, which is supposed to be swallowed as some sort of authoritative definition. Did you seriously expect him to give a meaningful response to “except for one little thing…the notitia is bullshit”? What else can he say except “oh no it isn’t!”? It’s not like he’s actually going to provide evidence that “sin” is anything but a man-made concept designed to intimidate and control, e.g. “You’re a sinner and you’re going to hell unless you do what I tell you should do”. And of course, you didn’t expect him to prove that Jesus really existed, and that stories of his supposed “sacrifice” are anything more than fairy tales, did you?
Whether or not one subscribes to any of his rants, his response was lazy, at best. Maybe he's just stupid and too stupid to know it.
'The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and seal. It could not be expressed better.'
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
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RE: What is "FAITH"
June 21, 2013 at 9:12 am
Nice little women's meeting we're having here chaps. I can almost picture the hair rollers and the cigarettes hung from your bottom lips.
Still no points made to rebuke I see.
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