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One question for Christians
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 (June 27, 2013 at 6:27 pm)catfish Wrote: It doesn't... What about all those burnt offerings in Leviticus which were a sweet smell to God?
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
 (June 27, 2013 at 5:53 pm)Godschild Wrote: Post like the four above this one is what derails an OP, people parroting the same ol' tired things, why can't you go to scripture and try to disprove what Christians believe. You expect us to go to science to disprove what you believe about evolution, are we asking anything differently than you are, NO we are not. Many atheist have said to me in the last few days they read and study scripture, if that is so then prove it in conversations you have with Christians. Prove that your interpretation of scripture is more correct than ours.  (June 27, 2013 at 10:15 pm)Godschild Wrote:(June 27, 2013 at 5:57 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: In other words, you can't satisfactorily answer the question and you know it. Try me. Tell me what reason there possibly can be that a blood sacrifice would be needed to appease god.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
 (June 27, 2013 at 5:53 pm)Godschild Wrote: Post like the four above this one is what derails an OP, people parroting the same ol' tired things, why can't you go to scripture and try to disprove what Christians believe. I don't know if all Christian denominations agree on the finer points of topics like the ransom sacrifice. As I recall, the reasoning of Jehovah's Witnesses was that when Adam & Eve sinned, humanity lost perfection. Jesus sacrificed a perfect human life so as to have a marker with god; since he had done nothing to deserve death, he was owed a perfect human life now. He offers that marker on behalf of anyone who places faith in him and in that sacrifice. That explanation makes more sense if you believe (as the JWs do) that god and Jesus are two separate beings and not just different sides of the same being. I am assuming that other Christian denominations would believe something similar to the above but with enough differences to fit in with the idea that Jesus *is* god.
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-Stephen Jay Gould  (June 27, 2013 at 5:33 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Hmm....I get the feeling you already know what answer you're going to be given, DP... In fairness, I already expect that there can be no good answer because the concept of blood sacrifice is based on primitive, barbaric notions of atonement. For whatever reason, it seemed a common theme among religions all over the world that the gods need blood to be spilled on their altars. In some cultures, it was animal blood. In a few, it was human blood. No one ever seemed to question why. Today, we should. The answers I've gotten in the past are to ramble on about how "the blood of Christ was necessary for atonement. Without his precious blood, there could be no redemption, yatta yatta." Yeah, I know the sermon. I didn't ask for that. I want to know *WHY* it works, not your assertions that it works. What are the mechanics? What's the cause and effect? The absurdity only escalates when you consider that Jesus is supposed to be the same god. So he's sacrificing himself to himself as the only means to convince himself. The other answer I expect is the "Lord works in mysterious ways" quip.
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too." ... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept "(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question" ... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist (June 28, 2013 at 8:31 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: The absurdity only escalates when you consider that Jesus is supposed to be the same god. So he's sacrificing himself to himself as the only means to convince himself. That's the part which never has and never will make sense. For some reason, God's plans are all overly complicated for an all-powerful being. I mean, take the Noah myth for example. Everyone on earth was evil & wicked except Noah and his family, so instead of God just zapping all those evil people out of existence or simply making them die from some disease, he comes up with this convoluted plan of flooding the world and having Noah build this huge boat, then gathering two of every animal on board. It's like his miracles only work if they're totally and completely complicated.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
(June 28, 2013 at 8:48 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: It's like his miracles only work if they're totally and completely complicated. So Yahweh is just another Bond villain?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould RE: One question for Christians
June 28, 2013 at 9:00 am
(This post was last modified: June 28, 2013 at 9:01 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 28, 2013 at 8:31 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: I didn't ask for that. I want to know *WHY* it works, not your assertions that it works. What are the mechanics? What's the cause and effect?LOL, good luck. That's one of my favorite questions, btw.
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 (June 27, 2013 at 10:15 pm)Godschild Wrote:(June 27, 2013 at 5:57 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: In other words, you can't satisfactorily answer the question and you know it. Why are you on an atheist website??????? ![[Image: tumblr_mliut3rXE01soz1kco1_500.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=31.media.tumblr.com%2F1ccb209a7f672ea6b62b8550a4c12eb4%2Ftumblr_mliut3rXE01soz1kco1_500.jpg) The trouble with the world is not that people know too little, but that they know so many things that ain't so. -- Mark Twain .  |
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