Nazi photos Hitlers support for the Church

[Big Blue Sky]

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

[Rahul]

I've read up on Hitler about his relationship with religion and I personally think that he understood the power it contained that could be used to manipulate people.

But I also think he resented that power too.

[kılıç_mehmet]

I think that Hitler was also quite nostalgic to the old religion of the Germanic people, just as we Turkish nationalists use "Tanrı Türk'ü korusun(God save the Turk)" with the old name for God, "Tanrı/Tengri" instead of the arabic "Allah".
However I don't think any nationalist on his right mind would dare to disrespect the religious traditions of his/her people, even though they themselves might not believe in them.
So Hitler did include a certain christian undertone into his ideology and politics, however I believe he was non-secterian, and did not favor catholics over protestants, or otherwise. To add, I don't see anything wrong with these pictures or something out of place, except that they're just adorned with pictures of Swastikas, Hitler and etc. You could simply put the picture of any European politician that has met with any religious figure in their countries, or had visited a church, or had a christmas dinner with the cabinet.
Hitler didn't really do anything out of the ordinary for any ordinary politician.
In fact, as I stated before, nationalism also means that you have to respect the beliefs and customs of the public, as they are inseperable from the public, at least to a degree. Yet using religion too much would be very harmful to a nationalism, as religion based politics is an international concept. So it is generally a rule of thumb for a nationalist leader to show respect and at least adherence to a degree to certain religious sentiments and practices of the general public, yet refraining from using religion as the basis of a political platform.

I've read up on Hitler about his relationship with religion and I personally think that he understood the power it contained that could be used to manipulate people.

But I also think he resented that power too.

Well, it cannot be used to manipulate a people over a certain degree.
For example, if he were to use religion as his primary tool to come to power, people would be quite reluctant to actually spill christian blood in wars, or in that case, would revert from the German national identity to a simple Christian identity that knows no boundaries in terms of race, nation or language.

This is why we nationalists do not use religion as a means to gain public favour. If you do that, you are actually doing the quite opposite of a nationalist.
In my country, the greatest opposition to nationalism comes from two ideologies. One are the "red-communists" whom we know as marxist/leninists and the others are the "green-communists" who are known as Islamists, as they both reject race, language, existence of national creeds, flags, anthems, borders and spirit.
The only difference is that the reds use class based discrimination to fuel their internationalism, while the greens use religion based discrimination to fuel their internationalism("Ummah sympathisants" as I like to call them).

I hope I was able to shed light on the matter.

[Faith No More]

The man's forte was psychological manipulation, so of course he would be interested in religion.

[Rahul]

Well, it cannot be used to manipulate a people over a certain degree.
For example, if he were to use religion as his primary tool to come to power, people would be quite reluctant to actually spill christian blood in wars, or in that case, would revert from the German national identity to a simple Christian identity that knows no boundaries in terms of race, nation or language.

You might be surprised. The American Civil War was fueled by a strong abolitionist movement instigated by religious Quakers. Their preachers fueled the movement from the pulpit.

In the South the preachers fired up the populace by using the same religion. Things got more and more heated by all the religious arguments and firey language that they all thought they were morally superior to the other side.

What happened next was the bloodiest war America has ever experienced. Left the South in desolation for a century after killing 1/4 of it's military aged men and maiming another 1/4 of them.

The South, in crushing poverty, turned to religion for consolation, and is currently causing most of the problems with this country based on that religion. It's the heart of the Republican empire.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Well, it cannot be used to manipulate a people over a certain degree.
For example, if he were to use religion as his primary tool to come to power, people would be quite reluctant to actually spill christian blood in wars, or in that case, would revert from the German national identity to a simple Christian identity that knows no boundaries in terms of race, nation or language.

You might be surprised. The American Civil War was fueled by a strong abolitionist movement instigated by religious Quakers. Their preachers fueled the movement from the pulpit.

In the South the preachers fired up the populace by using the same religion. Things got more and more heated by all the religious arguments and firey language that they all thought they were morally superior to the other side.

What happened next was the bloodiest war America has ever experienced. Left the South in desolation for a century after killing 1/4 of it's military aged men and maiming another 1/4 of them.

The South, in crushing poverty, turned to religion for consolation, and is currently causing most of the problems with this country based on that religion. It's the heart of the Republican empire.

A war made on the basis of whether abolishing slavery or not(a war that was fuelled by humane concern, or economic hardships and necessity of slaves) is not the same as a war based on a national awakening, and a national goal, as the one that Nazi Germany was involved in.
Well, I'm sure that preachers had played their part in this, though I'm sure it wasn't a catholic-protestant or sunni-shia war, in which both sides claimed the other was spreading heresy.

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The man's forte was psychological manipulation, so of course he would be interested in religion.

A nationalist leader does not try to arouse religious fervor amongst his followers, he tries to arouse nationalistic fervor, which is based on history, culture, ethnic and national pride and spirit.
Although religion is generally a part of the said culture, it stops there, nationalism does not put religious consciousness before ethnic/national consciousness.

[Doubting Thomas]

Hitler celebrated Christmas! Christmas must be bad!

[Something completely different]

lol

I am not suprised. In fact, everyone here knows that fascism is deeply conected to catholicism.
Fascism came into existance and ruled in places which were deeply catholic.
Such as Spain, Austria, Croatia and Italy. And it came to rise here mainly through the catholic south of the country.

It is actualy really weird to see how so many people outside of countries which were once ruled by fascists believe that fascism is somehow conected to atheism.

You were more likely to end up being murdered or imprisoned by a fascist regime as an atheist than as a christian, especialy in Francos fascist Spain.

[kılıç_mehmet]

lol

I am not suprised. In fact, everyone here knows that fascism is deeply conected to catholicism.
Fascism came into existance and ruled in places which were deeply catholic.
Such as Spain, Austria, Croatia and Italy. And it came to rise here mainly through the catholic south of the country.

It is actualy really weird to see how so many people outside of countries which were once ruled by fascists believe that fascism is somehow conected to atheism.

You were more likely to end up being murdered or imprisoned by a fascist regime as an atheist than as a christian, especialy in Francos fascist Spain.

Friend, fascism is nothing more than an expression of nationalistic tendencies, represented in an anti-communist manner. In Italy, it surfaced with an Italian image, and since it surfaced there with that name, it was commonplace to call all similar nationalistic ideologies with that name. They were all founded on European soil, and had perhaps common interests, but that's all about it man.
The fact that those countries were catholic is due to history, nothing more. For example, Japan, a major axis power was Shinto, not catholic, where the Emperor was the head of the church. Yet similar things were not seen in neither Germany, nor in Italy, again major axis powers, they didn't even have monarchies, while Britain, whose ruler is also the head of the Church lacked such things due to its ethnic heterogeneity. Similarly for France and Spain, while Spain did resist communism in their own lands, it took them a bit more effort to rid this vile abomination out of the minds of their people.
Well, I don't think that anti-communism(also called fascism by communists, regardless of it's proper name, whether Phalangist, Gardist or etc.) is a "catholic-thing".

[Something completely different]

Friend, fascism is nothing more than an expression of nationalistic tendencies, represented in an anti-communist manner. In Italy, it surfaced with an Italian image, and since it surfaced there with that name, it was commonplace to call all similar nationalistic ideologies with that name. They were all founded on European soil, and had perhaps common interests, but that's all about it man.
The fact that those countries were catholic is due to history, nothing more. For example, Japan, a major axis power was Shinto, not catholic, where the Emperor was the head of the church. Yet similar things were not seen in neither Germany, nor in Italy, again major axis powers, they didn't even have monarchies, while Britain, whose ruler is also the head of the Church lacked such things due to its ethnic heterogeneity. Similarly for France and Spain, while Spain did resist communism in their own lands, it took them a bit more effort to rid this vile abomination out of the minds of their people.
Well, I don't think that anti-communism(also called fascism by communists, regardless of it's proper name, whether Phalangist, Gardist or etc.) is a "catholic-thing".

I would doubt that Japan was a fascist regime during that time. I would considere it to be a extremly nationalist military hunta. And I do not think that the resistance against communism is the only thing which defines fascism as different from nationalism. Racism is not required in nationalism while it pops up in every fascist movement and a nationalist can still be a democrat, constitutional monarchist or republican whilest fascism requires totalitarianism and insists on it`s right to rule authoritarian.