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You know what really grinds my gears? RAPE-UBLICANS
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RE: You know what really grinds my gears? RAPE-UBLICANS
(September 7, 2013 at 12:51 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I can't have read his right. Surely he can't mean this!

Read Exodus chapter 21, there are numerous laws concerning violent actions and accidental death. Then again, when you read verses 7-9 the rest of it doesn't seem so outrageous.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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#92
RE: You know what really grinds my gears? RAPE-UBLICANS
(September 7, 2013 at 5:07 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: First: Not a red herring, just commenting on a point I find highly amusing. Not to mention you just strawman'd since I have not denied anything to establish humanity and personhood; I have gone on record as stating that what defines a human being is personhood, genetics being a PART but not the encompassing WHOLE of what defines a human being. Good try, though, you almost had something...even if that something was going in a horribly erroneous direction.

You have that backwards, a human being is the scientifically determined state; personhood is the philosophically determined state. I cannot argue that a dog is a person and therefore also a human being, a dog is not a person because it is scientifically not a human being. A fertilized egg is scientifically a living human being.

Quote: And how do YOU know that similarities in so on and so on imply a common designer? I know they don't because I've seen no evidence so far to imply that it was

I know who the designer is of course. How do you know they are due to a common ancestor?

Quote: (not to mention the endless moving of the goalposts that make the hollowness of the claims of "creation" even more blatantly obvious)

Examples needed.

Quote: and the original claims in the bible stated that the world was created in seven days which is not possible anymore given what we know, as is the evidence that humans spontaneously existed alongside everything else...

It’s actually six days. Why is it impossible for an omnipotent God to create the Universe in six days? Simply because you say so? You lost me there.

Quote: which the fossil record disproves with indescribable ease.

Really? How?

Quote: You are starting with a presupposition and assuming it's right without any knowledge to instigate that belief other than what you are told without even knowing anything about its sources, contexts, or reliability, not to mention the fact that the supposed basis of beliefs are based on eye-witness testimony from millenia ago.

Well a PREsupposition is usually something you start with. Tongue When the Bible was written is irrelevant to whether or not it is true though.

Quote: It's long been shown that eyewitness testimonies are the weakest kind of evidence to bring to bear in a court of law because so often, they are contradictory, faulty, fabrications, and/or misrememberings.

When did we enter a courtroom? Irrelevant point even if it were true.

Quote: Bring forth the tangible evidence that shows the common creator, but just remember Ockham's Razor when you make the desperately empty attempt to do so; it'll cut you pretty badly.

Occam’s razor is only used when two theories are identical in regards to their explanatory power the one with the fewer assumptions is preferable for pragmatic reasons. The creation model is far superior in explanatory power so Occam’s Razor (which was devised by a creationist) does not apply here.

Quote:Wrong.

No, I was right. When we find remains we do not have to determine if the original creature was self-aware and conscious, we merely test the genetics and if they come back similar to other humans we classify them as human remains.

(September 7, 2013 at 12:51 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I can't have read his right. Surely he can't mean this!

I do not know whether you read it right or not, but I meant what I wrote.
(September 7, 2013 at 3:20 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Yep. Those gold bull making fornicating cheating arrogant complaining disbelieving chicken shit mass murdering pieces of shit were apparently the upstanding model of Christian civility.

Where did I say that? I simply said they were more civilized than we are today, which they were.
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#93
RE: You know what really grinds my gears? RAPE-UBLICANS
If you think the Israelites were more civilized than we are today, you and I are gonna go rounds, old men.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: You know what really grinds my gears? RAPE-UBLICANS
(September 11, 2013 at 5:29 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: If you think the Israelites were more civilized than we are today, you and I are gonna go rounds, old men.

Of course they were! They didn’t suck their baby’s brains out for the sake of convenience. There’s nothing more barbaric than that. Old man? I believe I am younger than you are. Tongue

Old Testament verse out of context in 3…2…1….
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