Hungarian court sentences racist murderers to life in prison and 13 years

[kılıç_mehmet]

Indeed. There is a reason. Indoctrination.

I don't know how you jumped to the conclusion that I have been "indoctrinated" by someone, whereas I've come to my views by simply reading by my own, and coming to conclusions based on my readings.

Here in the States us Texans have indoctrination about being Texans. We're taught in a hundred ways that Texas is the greatest state in the US. Everything is bigger in Texas, Texas is like a whole other country, songs, food (Texas style), etc.

The problem with this is that Texans are overly proud of being from Texas. So, in the military a lot of people hate Texans because they think so much about their home state.

There's nothing great about Texas compared to any other state. We have better things and worse things going on compared to any other state.

But we are casually raised to believe that Texas is the greatest, most awesome state ever. And it's all bull.

Well, its really nothing like my views. We do ideology here, man.
Do Texans have some sort of an ideology about what is so great about being Texan and how Texas earned its place in the US?
Obviously no. We on the other hand have analyzed historical facts and realities relating to ourselves, and we've seen the greatness of our nation and that we are destined for great things. It is an ideology that we believe is the best for our nation to follow.

I think you've fallen for the same thing about your country.

It is not a matter of country. I have failed to explain this to you people.
I'm not a great fan of Turkey. My country is not Turkey.
A prominent ideologist of Turkish nationalism has stated, "Turkey is not the country of Turks, and neither is Turkestan, but our country is a sublime place called Turan."
I am a member of a pan-nationalist movement. I do not dwell on borders, I dwell on nations.

This is where you need to show some independence of thought and rationally examine why you feel this way. And determine if it is warranted.

And I have, my friend. I had mentors, of course, but none were living people. All were dead, with only articles, poems, and books left behind that created a basis for my views.
Of course, I'm not the only one, and we have formed together organisations of like-minded people, that wish to work towards this.
What is a nationalists if he does not wish to bring his nation to the greatest heights? Our goal is to bring our nation above the rest of Humanity. A nationalist is a person that hungers for progress, and dislikes sulking in a corner, having our place dictated by someone else. Instead, we want to dictate our course. And our course is to be above others in terms of military, science, arts and culture.
To do this though, we first must unite. This is our first step.

t if is warranted then you should be able to tell everyone else the exact reasons why this is the case and we wouldn't be able to refute your facts.

Well, you can't refute them, as much as I cannot make you accept them, unless by showing our glorious deeds. Yet you do not accept anything that I can show, as you believe that I have no right to claim it as my own. You are individualists, you dwell the in mountains of singularity, while I dwell on the plains of plurality.

If you can't you're just indoctrinated with a false and grandiose concept and going along with the idea because it's a boost to your self-esteem.

To prove to me that my concept, and ideals are false, you must provide me with a correct one. I have not seen you providing me with a correct concept. And I must say once again that its not about me. If it were, I'd just be like the other wannebe nationalists, who despise going out in the fields, doing some actual work. They do not busy themselves with propaganda, nor printing of journals, neither trying to actually to get in into important positions in the government and public services, neither doing something for anyone but themselves.
But I do, my good sir, and I face hardships for it. Each year I and my friends participate in campaigns, write and publish journals(though our current journal is still awaiting approval from the school, the previous ones that we have printed have been confiscated by the school) donate blood, attend demonstrations, and try to survive in a hostile university environment to become perhaps important people that can make a difference in the future.
Do you think that I do all of this to boost my self-esteem?

What I find most disturbing is your idea that the only thing that matters to you is your country. And you're just a cog in the wheel. No other ultimate purpose but to do whatever will advance the goals of your nation.

Yes of course. What else would actually matter? Would it matter if I said "fuck it, am I gonna save the country?" and simply indulged myself in my personal pursuits, having no purpose at all, but to become an animal? An animal too has no greater purpose than to feed his belly and copulate when its time comes. This is why animals do not rule the world.

Besides, the advancement of the goals of my nation, will ultimately serve me, or my grandchildren. IS that so bad of a purpose?

With this mindset you can justify doing the most horrifying and terrible things. Happily so. All in service to your nation.

What, for example? I do only justify things that are in the good interests of my people. That may sometimes involve war, and it will in the future. I am not opposed to war when it comes to liberating my people. If our forefathers had thought the same, Izmir would have still been in the hands of Greece, and Istanbul would have been an internationally controlled area. I wouldn't exist since the population exchange would have never taken place.
Our forefathers have stated that in order to preserve the nation, fighting when required, is necessary. We've gained our place here in the great Chess-game of civilisations by means of war.
When the time comes, we shall once again liberate our brothers by means of war. But for now, we should try to unify the already existing sovereign countries, and try to get our shit together.

Because your nation is all that really matters, right?

Of course. What matters to you, my friend? Do you really care about the poor african children that die from hunger? So how are you able to live with yourself, knowing that they die of hunger, but you sit before your computer, wearing your slippers, sipping your coffee(or tea, or whatever soft drink you prefer), talking to me?
It is a fact my friend, that no one cares about the other. The world is a meal of wolves. Only the most ferocious wolves are able to grasp a large chunk of meat to fill their bellies, while the others starve.

[Rahul]

What I find most disturbing is your idea that the only thing that matters to you is your country. And you're just a cog in the wheel. No other ultimate purpose but to do whatever will advance the goals of your nation.

Yes of course. What else would actually matter? Would it matter if I said "fuck it, am I gonna save the country?" and simply indulged myself in my personal pursuits, having no purpose at all, but to become an animal? An animal too has no greater purpose than to feed his belly and copulate when its time comes. This is why animals do not rule the world.

Besides, the advancement of the goals of my nation, will ultimately serve me, or my grandchildren. IS that so bad of a purpose?

So if your nation told you the Kurds were sabotaging your country you would happily round them up in camps and kill them wholesale man, woman, and child?

Well, you can't refute them, as much as I cannot make you accept them, unless by showing our glorious deeds.

I can't refute something that has not been presented to me. Care to let me in on what they are?

[kılıç_mehmet]

So if your nation told you the Kurds were sabotaging your country you would happily round them up in camps and kill them wholesale man, woman, and child?

Well they don't need to tell me this, the Kurds are already sabotage our country for years and years. I think it was evident, though someone needs to tell our nation that the Kurds are sabotaging our country since the refuse to believe that they're doing it, or that its just a small minority of Kurds, though in reality, the Kurds are actively supporting this en-masse, and the majority of the Kurdish vote go their separatist party.
In short, they are great problem, and their stupid behavior has already cost us the lives of our soldiers, civil servants, and civillians, not to mention millions perhaps bilions of dollars.

What is that if not sabotage? They are clearly a threat and require to be neutralized. However rounding them up in camps and killing them wholesale is not really the way to solve problems. The price of failure is too high.
However a procedure of psychological warfare would do fine to break their morale and make them bow to our demands, that they stop being troublemakers, and remember that they are minorities.
We don't need them, they need us. A large portion of Turkish taxpayer money is used in order to fight off their terrorists in the mountains, and another large portion is used to repair the devestation caused by them, and another portion is used to pay for the electricity and water the steal. But they are too clever not to incite a full-blown rebellion as they did three times before, where they have been crushed do dust, and that alone has made them sulk in fear for a long time, until the communists came and roused them up.
They tought them a new way, the way of terrorism, to archive their means.
But now, it is time to fight fire with fire. Assasinate their ringleaders, destroy their footholds in Europe, and bring back martial law in the southeastern provinces, and they will give up. But most of all, the mountains in northern Iraq must be flattened. They must be erased from the geography so they won't have anywhere to hide. This is the way of subduing them. However it is not being done in hopes of gaining votes. However most parties do not realize that the Kurds actually hate us all, and wish that we would die. Perhaps I would not go postal on their asses, but they would kill us all if they had the chance. No Turkish civil servant has ever felt safe in a city that has a Kurdish majority, though they walk our western cities safely and act as they own everything.
IF they had a country somewhere, I would be happy to kick their asses out.

I can't refute something that has not been presented to me. Care to let me in on what they are?

It goes back quite a while though. Back to the days when Motun Shanyu has created the first grand horde ever to strike fear into the hearts of man.
We've been known throughout the history as great warriors and military innovators. Though this is not our greatest strength. We have been able to start out as a nomadic people in today's Mongolia, and from there, spread to Eastern Europe. But our spread was not merely a breeze, it was a storm. We've shook the foundations of Asia, and replaced and then, demographically displaced large batches of land with our conquest, and have transformed the Asian continent, and dominated the middle east for a thousand years. Everywhere our presence was known, although we started quite humble, again, first as mercenaries, and then, as Ghulams, then great Sultans.
To count, we've established more empires than any other nation on earth, all successors to eachother. I will go chronologically, by starting with the Asian Huns, known as the Xiong-nu. They have created the first great horde of Turanics, when Modun Shanyu gained control of the horde. After that, the Xienbei and the Rouran have gained control. Xiongnu were ruled by the Turkic tribes, and the Rouran and Xienbei were Mongolic tribes, though back then, clear distinctions between the two were not yet formed.
Finally the Rouran were replaced by the Göktürks, the first Turanic empire to have used the name. They have controlled an even larger Landmass than the previous ones, and have spawned the Uyghur Empire, who later gave rise to Kara Khita, and smaller tribal confederations in all of Mongolia. But at the same time, two large tribes were moving into the west, as before them, did the European Huns, Avars, Bolgars and Khazars did. All these four also founded their empires in Europe and the Russian steppes.
But the Kypchaks and Oghuz went on to realize a much greater purpose, where the western Turks have failed, they have succeeded.
Neither Huns, Avars nor Khazars have left legitimate successors to themselves to designate by name, but the Kypchaks did. They are also a part of the Hungarian nation, just the Huns(Utigur and Kutrigur tribes) and are known by the name of Kun to them, their country was named Kunszag.
Kypchaks also formed a great empire in the Russian steppes, while supplying Ghulams to the Muslim sultans in the south. Those Ghulams later became the Mamluks, who ruled Egypt for hundreds of years.
At the same time, Ghulams were popular with the people in Central Asia, and before the Oghuz came to make their own territorial claims, a Ghulam named Sebük tigin created the house of Ghazni. Another created the House of Khwarezm. And the Oghuzez created the Great Seljuk Empire. Meanwhile, the Kypchaks were having their own flourishing empire, the Russians were nothing back then, merely being small principalities in service of the Khan of the Cumans(Kypchaks), and Georgia had a hard time subduing them too.
When the Oghuz finally reached Anatolia, they met the Romans. In 1071, they defeated a large Roman army in Manzikert, which allowed Turks to establish another frontier in Europe. From here, any further incursions were made into Europe, as it was also where the Silk Road met its end, it was full with riches.

Then came Chingiss Khan, himself a descendant of the Shato of the Ashina clan, the same clan that has founded the Göktürks.
He rallied the grand horde once again, and set forth on a sacred mission from the Sky God. To bring the world under a single Tugh, and under a single Sky.
Then he moved on and defeated other tribes and incorporated them into the newly established grand horde. The horde of Jochi defeated the Kypchak confederation, and so the people of the Sky God moved under his banner.
HE also moved farther south, into Persia, defeating the Khwarezmians, and going as far as Anatolia.
After his death, his sons did not listen to him, and split the horde.
IT was custom that after the death of a Great Khan, the horde would be split among his sons. That proved to be the undoing of Attila, but not for the Muslim Khans and Sultans, who had adopted the practice of leaving everything to a single heir, therebye creating longer lasting empires.
So from his empire, the Ulus Of Jochi(from which my paternal heritage descends from) and the Ulus of Kublai were born. The latter was named the Ilkhanate. From the Ilkhanate, the Ottomans were born. When the Ilkhanate was weakened, Osman, the leader of the Kayı tribe, began to wage war against the already weakened Byzantines. His sons have waged war against the other tribes in Anatolia, and incorporated them just as Chingiss did before. One of them was my maternal tribe, who was of the Beylik of Karamanoğlu, who had officially declared Turkish as both the court and military language.
After that, they have made it their goal to archive what all of our ancestors have tried to. To unite the world under a single sky, and a single Tugh.
However they had many enemies, just like Chingiss and grandsons did.
Fighting on three fronts, one being Europe, the other being Russia, and the other one being the newly established Iran, led by Turkish warriors(although a different sect of Islam), they grew weak, and were internally plagued by revolts, and they lasted for 600 hundred years before finally collapsing.

The reason these empires have collapsed was due to two main reasons.
1-The lack of unity, and the split of territory between the sons of Khans.
2-Minorities, having too much of them will generally give you nothing but a headache.

So, I have scrapped the notion of world domination for a more viable one. Simply to re-unify the tribes into a new single Great horde, as it came to pass three times before and created desirable results.
We do not have eyes on the territories of other nations, especially due to the fact they do not contain a Turkish majority.
We do not wish to have sizable minorities, as minorities are almost always trouble. We simply wish to live with our own kin, and be left to our devices to flourish and prosper while maintaining healthy relations with our neighbors.
Indeed, we were destined to great things, but as it was written in the Orkhun inscriptions, we should think, and understand our past mistakes.

AS it is also stated in my signature; "Üze Tengri basmasar, asra Yir telinmeser, Türük bodun ilingin törüngin kim artatı udaçı erti?"

"If the Sky above does not fall, if the ground below does not crumble, who can break your country and your laws?"