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August 15, 2013 at 12:08 am
(August 14, 2013 at 6:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Dandy, that. Just dandy. Live a life of unrelieved, horrific debauchery and have one second, just one split second of sincere repentance for the pain you've caused and the lives you've wrecked and you wind up in the bosom of God forever and ever Amen.
I find that utterly repugnant.
Boru
The whole idea of the confession and absolution of sins is based on that exact premise. Do as much sinning as you like, a priest says a few 'magic' words and you're good to go all over again. Lather, rinse, repeat.
(August 14, 2013 at 8:21 pm)Drich Wrote: (August 14, 2013 at 5:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But I'll be fair - name a natural event or phenomenon that cannot, positively CANNOT be explained by natural means. In other words, give us a verified phenomenon to consider whereby God is the only possible explantion. Take your time.  Move the goal post much? Or do you simply not understand the nature of unknown phenomena? (which is what is actually being discussed.) Because again in order for you to accurately make the statement you did, you would not only have to know and accurately explain away all known Phenomena, you would also have to be able to account for all unknown phenomena as well. (Which again would make you God by definition, which brings us back to our paradox in your logic.)
Shift the burden of proof much? Because that's not at all what Brian said here.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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August 15, 2013 at 12:21 am
(August 14, 2013 at 5:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But I'll be fair - name a natural event or phenomenon that cannot, positively CANNOT be explained by natural means. In other words, give us a verified phenomenon to consider whereby God is the only possible explantion. Take your time. Gravity? The beginning of the universe? Animal migration? Maybe this is a stupid question, but how is one supposed to tell the difference between phenomenons that cannot be explained and phenomenons that have not been explained? Wouldn't all the "cannots" look like "have not beens"?
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August 15, 2013 at 12:02 pm
(August 14, 2013 at 8:21 pm)Drich Wrote: Why would Jesus Have you covered?
Isn't that what you believe? "Jesus" died for your sins, so as long as you accept him, you can get into heaven no matter what you did.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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August 15, 2013 at 12:24 pm
(August 15, 2013 at 12:21 am)Undeceived Wrote: (August 14, 2013 at 5:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But I'll be fair - name a natural event or phenomenon that cannot, positively CANNOT be explained by natural means. In other words, give us a verified phenomenon to consider whereby God is the only possible explantion. Take your time. Gravity? The beginning of the universe? Animal migration? Maybe this is a stupid question, but how is one supposed to tell the difference between phenomenons that cannot be explained and phenomenons that have not been explained? Wouldn't all the "cannots" look like "have not beens"?
Planetary movement was once incomprehensible to early astronomers. They attributed their wandering nature to that of the will of some supreme being. The actual explanation has since been found, and god is nowhere to be found in this explanation.
As the understanding we gain through science increases, supernatural attributions decrease. Even if we don't fully understand every little detail about gravity or the beginning of the universe, there is no need to say that God fills in our gaps in knowledge. If history has proven anything, those gaps are getting tighter and tighter, squeezing god out from every one. Even if our understanding can't close a gap, that does not give us ample justification for putting god there, as he never belonged in the other gaps either.
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August 15, 2013 at 9:51 pm
(August 15, 2013 at 12:02 pm)Thor Wrote: (August 14, 2013 at 8:21 pm)Drich Wrote: Why would Jesus Have you covered?
Isn't that what you believe? "Jesus" died for your sins, so as long as you accept him, you can get into heaven no matter what you did.
That would explain why I am 'covered.'
My question was why would you be 'covered?'
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August 15, 2013 at 10:01 pm
(August 15, 2013 at 9:51 pm)Drich Wrote: (August 15, 2013 at 12:02 pm)Thor Wrote: Isn't that what you believe? "Jesus" died for your sins, so as long as you accept him, you can get into heaven no matter what you did.
That would explain why I am 'covered.'
My question was why would you be 'covered?'
Because according to the Bible for which you hold the burden of proof (which means you should still be the one to explain to him why he's covered) Jesus died for everyone's sins. Everyone is covered by his atonement. This is precisely what you should have said, as it's in your theology. If it's not in your personal theology, then you, Drich, are actually not a Christian.
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