No God, but created?

[Jiggerj]

I'm sure this has been talked to death, but it keeps coming back to haunt me.

I am a full blown atheist in the sense that I am one-million percent positive that there is no perfect mystical magical god. That said, has anyone actually looked at the implications derived from the idea that all life on this planet started from one teeny-tiny microscopic cell?



The information in that first living cell goes way WAY beyond mind-boggling. Then to imply that this cell was created naturally (without any intelligent assistance whatsoever) is simply not fathomable. Though I will probably miss a lot of them, have a look at what instructions had to have been in that first cell:

1. You will replicate yourself in exact detail.
2. You will transfer all the information on replication to the other cells.
3. When there are enough cells you will combine with them to make complex organisms.
4. Instead of cell division you will teach the complex cells how to reproduce asexually.
5. You will adapt to your environment and transform into all manner of plant life, fish-life, and all life on land.
6. You will then teach life to reproduce by using two partners.
7. In living things you will create hearts, lungs, kidneys, livers, bladders, stomachs, intestines, colons, eyes, ears, nose, mouth, throat, glands, hair or fur, limbs, tails, claws, brains...

ALL of this information was in that first cell in one form or another.
And, this all occurred naturally?

Give me aliens having created this cell. Give me a scientist in another dimension playing with life in a petri dish where our universe resides.

But even as an atheist I find it really REALLY hard to swallow that life occurred by random chance.

Thanks for reading.

[Psykhronic]

Chemistry is not random. Also, who says it definitely started with just one cell? Abiogenesis could easily, from my understanding, create more than one cell. And imagine if meteorites carried the early lifeforms? I doubt it would be just one, although not impossible, but it seems improbable.

[genkaus]

ALL of this information was in that first cell in one form or another.
And, this all occurred naturally?

The simple answer is - it wasn't in the first living cell. In any form. All that information developed over a long, long period of time.

[orogenicman]

I'm sure this has been talked to death, but it keeps coming back to haunt me.

I am a full blown atheist in the sense that I am one-million percent positive that there is no perfect mystical magical god. That said, has anyone actually looked at the implications derived from the idea that all life on this planet started from one teeny-tiny microscopic cell?



The information in that first living cell goes way WAY beyond mind-boggling. Then to imply that this cell was created naturally (without any intelligent assistance whatsoever) is simply not fathomable. Though I will probably miss a lot of them, have a look at what instructions had to have been in that first cell:

1. You will replicate yourself in exact detail.
2. You will transfer all the information on replication to the other cells.
3. When there are enough cells you will combine with them to make complex organisms.
4. Instead of cell division you will teach the complex cells how to reproduce asexually.
5. You will adapt to your environment and transform into all manner of plant life, fish-life, and all life on land.
6. You will then teach life to reproduce by using two partners.
7. In living things you will create hearts, lungs, kidneys, livers, bladders, stomachs, intestines, colons, eyes, ears, nose, mouth, throat, glands, hair or fur, limbs, tails, claws, brains...

ALL of this information was in that first cell in one form or another.
And, this all occurred naturally?

Give me aliens having created this cell. Give me a scientist in another dimension playing with life in a petri dish where our universe resides.

But even as an atheist I find it really REALLY hard to swallow that life occurred by random chance.

Thanks for reading.

To declare yourself an atheist, and then argue for intelligent design? I'm not buying it.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

It's anything but 'random'.

If the context exists for an event to occur, then it will occur. Add time to the mix (billions and billions of years) and hey presto; you've got humans pooping in a field and wiping their ass with poison Ivy

[Jiggerj]

ALL of this information was in that first cell in one form or another.
And, this all occurred naturally?

The simple answer is - it wasn't in the first living cell. In any form. All that information developed over a long, long period of time.

I knew this topic would go here. It was just easier to write my thread the way I did and wait for this reply. If all that information wasn't in the first cell, then it at least had some kind of programming on learning how to adapt in the future to any and all environments.

THAT is still mind-boggling!

Thanks for your reply.

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To declare yourself an atheist, and then argue for intelligent design? I'm not buying it.

Why? Atheists can't believe that life came from someplace other than this planet, or that there might be highly intelligent (non-perfect) beings in another dimension tampering with the ingredients of life in a lab somewhere?

No, I don't believe in a perfect being, or magic, but all other options are wide open.

[genkaus]

I knew this topic would go here. It was just easier to write my thread the way I did and wait for this reply. If all that information wasn't in the first cell, then it at least had some kind of programming on learning how to adapt in the future to any and all environments.

THAT is still mind-boggling!

Thanks for your reply.

Did it have "some kind of programming on learning how to adapt"? What gives you that idea? In all likelihood, all it had was the programming for imperfect replication and an error in one such replication resulted in existence of "adaptive programming". Not mind-boggling at all.

Why? Atheists can't believe that life came from someplace other than this planet, or that there might be highly intelligent (non-perfect) beings in another dimension tampering with the ingredients of life in a lab somewhere?

No, I don't believe in a perfect being, or magic, but all other options are wide open.

Then you are just pushing the envelop one step back. Where did those supposed beings in another dimension come from?

[Jiggerj]

Did it have "some kind of programming on learning how to adapt"? What gives you that idea? In all likelihood, all it had was the programming for imperfect replication and an error in one such replication resulted in existence of "adaptive programming". Not mind-boggling at all.

Imperfect replication that caused all of the things required for life as we know it: a heart, stomach, lungs, kidneys, liver, brain, how to process oxygen... Don't you find it odd that imperfect replication would randomly create all of the organs needed for life. Take away any one of the organs mentioned, and we don't exist.

Then you are just pushing the envelop one step back. Where did those supposed beings in another dimension come from?

The answer is still, we don't know. It does, however, move us away from the proposition that life started here and by means of only one cell 'accidentally' knowing how to split and transfer all of its information to the next cell.

[Psykhronic]

Why do you call it an accident that a cell performs biochemical tasks?

[Tonus]

I knew this topic would go here. It was just easier to write my thread the way I did and wait for this reply. If all that information wasn't in the first cell, then it at least had some kind of programming on learning how to adapt in the future to any and all environments.

The first processor that used logic gates to compute in binary had everything it needed to power today's most demanding applications. But those processors aren't sophisticated enough to be used as a support module in a Commodore 64, much less a modern computer. Not being complex is very different from having the potential to be complex.