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To what extent is a rape victim responsible for the crime?
#31
RE: To what extent is a rape victim responsible for the crime?
(September 26, 2013 at 4:39 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I can't find fault with any of your post, Nora. You know what else is fucked up about it? The implicit assumption that men cannot control themselves, and cannot be expected to - ergo we must control women instead.

No. I reject that implication.
OMG, yes! That fucks me off as well. I've never been a man, but I have never been under the impression that most men struggle not rape every woman they meet. It's ridiculous. It's once again about control. I know I say that all the fucking time when issues about women come up, but it always is about control. Certain types of men feel the need to control women as a whole, and this is yet another example. This is all Abraham's fault, you know. Before his god came along, women were actually, genuinely, respected in Europe. We were warriors and Queens and not treated differently to men. In fact, at one point, in England, there was no word for "woman." we were all just called "men" (or whatever the equivalent was) then the Romans came along and fucked it all up. Sad
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#32
RE: To what extent is a rape victim responsible for the crime?
(September 26, 2013 at 4:26 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Also, in my school, the girls were taken out of class occasionally to be warned about rape and how to behave and dress to avoid it, we even had kick boxing lessons.
So? I don't want to strawman you, but if you are inferring that teaching women how to avoid rape scenarios - or how to get out of one, is the same as blaming them for the rape, then you're wrong.

Quote:Even when a girl at my school was raped in the toilets, the girls were again taken out of classes to be told not to flirt with boys during break time. Again, the boys were never given a talk on not raping.
Maybe she wasn't raped. Getting caught having sex in the school bathroom would never prompt the female who took part to claim rape. I'm assuming you didn't actually see what happened in that bathroom, though. Did you see it? If not, calling the guy a rapist is pretty crude.
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#33
RE: To what extent is a rape victim responsible for the crime?
I didn`t know what to think of the video at first.

I want to thank the members for posting their opinions here. It really cleared my thoughts and formed my opinion on this subject.


Thank you for your posts.
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#34
RE: To what extent is a rape victim responsible for the crime?
I feel the better solution is to attack the root causes of rape. Even to some degree the criminal is a victim to either his own devices or circumstance (in the sense of the home, or living conditions. A lot of what rape is a hyper sex drive or some form of narcissistic tendency and the need to feel powerful. In fact in some criminal studies I read most male to female serial rapes are power or dominance driven. I am by no means an expert, just little perspective on the matter that i feel can be resolved or the number of crimes to be brought down.
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#35
RE: To what extent is a rape victim responsible for the crime?
(September 26, 2013 at 5:18 pm)Gilgamesh Wrote:
(September 26, 2013 at 4:26 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Also, in my school, the girls were taken out of class occasionally to be warned about rape and how to behave and dress to avoid it, we even had kick boxing lessons.
So? I don't want to strawman you, but if you are inferring that teaching women how to avoid rape scenarios - or how to get out of one, is the same as blaming them for the rape, then you're wrong.
Sorry, I wasn't being very clear. That wasn't how I meant it. Thunderf00t took issue with the whole "teach boys not to rape" thing. I was saying why that particular idea came about. Girls are constantly warned about rape and given advice on how to avoid it for a pretty good reason, sure. But the issue is boys aren't lectured on why it's wrong to rape girls. Why? They could do it all at the same time. In the same room. A general talk about rape, why not to do it, and how to protect yourself if necessary. It's not equal the way it is.

(September 26, 2013 at 5:18 pm)Gilgamesh Wrote:
Quote:Even when a girl at my school was raped in the toilets, the girls were again taken out of classes to be told not to flirt with boys during break time. Again, the boys were never given a talk on not raping.
Maybe she wasn't raped. Getting caught having sex in the school bathroom would never prompt the female who took part to claim rape. I'm assuming you didn't actually see what happened in that bathroom, though. Did you see it? If not, calling the guy a rapist is pretty crude.
First of all, Fuck you, you absolute piece of shit. That's exactly the fucking problem here.
Yes she was fucking raped. He beat the shit out of her and broke her leg. He went to prison for it. But hey, maybe she liked it rough, and was embarrassed about that, eh? Did you see what happened? If not, calling the victim of a violent crime a liar is pretty fucking crude.
Cunt...
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#36
RE: To what extent is a rape victim responsible for the crime?
(September 26, 2013 at 5:18 pm)Gilgamesh Wrote: Maybe she wasn't raped. Getting caught having sex in the school bathroom would never prompt the female who took part to claim rape. I'm assuming you didn't actually see what happened in that bathroom, though. Did you see it? If not, calling the guy a rapist is pretty crude.

Facepalm

Something tells me they didn't "get caught having sex."

There are a lot of ways to determine whether rape or consent took place.

Bruising tends to be a good indicator, for one thing.

And, seriously, if this was a girl having sex with a boyfriend in the bathroom, something tells me that she wouldn't call "rape" to save her social life. And if she was a slut just fucking some random guy? Yeah, that doesn't actually happen.

C'mon, Gilly. Do you even think?
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#37
RE: To what extent is a rape victim responsible for the crime?
(September 25, 2013 at 8:09 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote:
(September 25, 2013 at 8:02 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: I refuse to blame someone for being raped.

Absolutly, spot on.

The question that circles arround my mind though is: To what extent does a person have responsibility in being active in crime prevention to prevent a crime against him or herself?

To what extent does a person have control over someone else's lack of control? I'd say, zero.
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JUST BELIEVE IT!
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#38
RE: To what extent is a rape victim responsible for the crime?
(September 25, 2013 at 8:02 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: I refuse to blame someone for being raped.

There is a difference between blaming someone for being raped and reducing the legal liability of the rapist based on that blame.

If a woman knowingly walks uncoerced into a known den of rapists, I would blame her for for getting raped, at least in private. But I would not thereby reduce the legal liability of any of the rapists there.
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#39
RE: To what extent is a rape victim responsible for the crime?
....Rapists live in dens?
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#40
RE: To what extent is a rape victim responsible for the crime?
I think they live in the Vatican.
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