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Take the fight to them.
#11
RE: Take the fight to them.
(October 14, 2013 at 12:03 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I agree that we should remove the taboo, but facebook is a permanent record of what you say and it's attached directly to your identity. That's very different with debating religion with a stranger on the street or with a friend or anonymously on some corner of the internet. Some of us cannot afford to do that.

So? If I am not breaking any laws the worst facebook can do to me is ban me. Big deal.

Oh believe me, if one doesn't feel comfortable outing themselves, dont. I am saying however the more open we are the more things will improve in the future.
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#12
RE: Take the fight to them.
(October 14, 2013 at 12:04 pm)Zazzy Wrote: Brian, do as you like. Nobody here is suggesting that you shouldn't do as you please. But you seem to be suggesting that unless you go on an aggressive warpath against theists, you are a loser. Each of us has our own way of dealing with the negative impacts of religion in our lives, and your censure isn't helpful or necessary.
Yeah, I agree with this one. And I don't think that an aggressive warpath is going to change anything either. You really have nothing to offer as an alternative to fill the void that those..preachers fill with whatever they're selling to the people. Well, do you?
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#13
RE: Take the fight to them.
(October 14, 2013 at 12:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(October 14, 2013 at 12:03 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I agree that we should remove the taboo, but facebook is a permanent record of what you say and it's attached directly to your identity. That's very different with debating religion with a stranger on the street or with a friend or anonymously on some corner of the internet. Some of us cannot afford to do that.

So? If I am not breaking any laws the worst facebook can do to me is ban me. Big deal.

Oh believe me, if one doesn't feel comfortable outing themselves, dont. I am saying however the more open we are the more things will improve in the future.

No, it's not facebook that will ban you it's an employer looking at what you say and decide they don't want you working for them that I worry about.

Yes I agree that the more we engage these people the better things will get.
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#14
RE: Take the fight to them.
(October 14, 2013 at 12:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(October 14, 2013 at 12:03 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I agree that we should remove the taboo, but facebook is a permanent record of what you say and it's attached directly to your identity. That's very different with debating religion with a stranger on the street or with a friend or anonymously on some corner of the internet. Some of us cannot afford to do that.

So? If I am not breaking any laws the worst facebook can do to me is ban me. Big deal.

Oh believe me, if one doesn't feel comfortable outing themselves, dont. I am saying however the more open we are the more things will improve in the future.

(bold added to both quotes)

Agreed with both.
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#15
RE: Take the fight to them.
(October 14, 2013 at 12:08 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:
(October 14, 2013 at 12:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote: So? If I am not breaking any laws the worst facebook can do to me is ban me. Big deal.

Oh believe me, if one doesn't feel comfortable outing themselves, dont. I am saying however the more open we are the more things will improve in the future.

No, it's not facebook that will ban you it's an employer looking at what you say and decide they don't want you working for them that I worry about.

Yes I agree that the more we engage these people the better things will get.
I still don't think that you can engage these people with what you have to offer now. Evangelism is not very different from Humanism. It simply has a different take on humanism under different context. So you're not really offering them anything new, in my opinion.
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#16
RE: Take the fight to them.
(October 14, 2013 at 12:08 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: No, it's not facebook that will ban you it's an employer looking at what you say and decide they don't want you working for them that I worry about.
This is so true, and is something that should give people pause. Just be careful leaving footprints back to your actual identity on the net- employers definitely look.
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#17
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My religious convictions prohibit me from being on Facebook. Alarmingly, this gives credence to religion itself being not all bad.
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#18
RE: Take the fight to them.
(October 14, 2013 at 12:10 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
(October 14, 2013 at 12:08 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: No, it's not facebook that will ban you it's an employer looking at what you say and decide they don't want you working for them that I worry about.

Yes I agree that the more we engage these people the better things will get.
I still don't think that you can engage these people with what you have to offer now. Evangelism is not very different from Humanism. It simply has a different take on humanism under different context. So you're not really offering them anything new, in my opinion.

You know how you sometimes meet someone, and you have to ask yourself how they manage to stay so ignorant for so long? It's because everyone's too polite to say anything. Sometimes they're not actively rejecting something, they're just ignorant of it, many of us here were once religious, but eventually we came across information taht changed our minds. I would bet many of us voted differently after that change.
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#19
RE: Take the fight to them.
(October 14, 2013 at 12:14 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:
(October 14, 2013 at 12:10 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I still don't think that you can engage these people with what you have to offer now. Evangelism is not very different from Humanism. It simply has a different take on humanism under different context. So you're not really offering them anything new, in my opinion.

You know how you sometimes meet someone, and you have to ask yourself how they manage to stay so ignorant for so long? It's because everyone's too polite to say anything. Sometimes they're not actively rejecting something, they're just ignorant of it, many of us here were once religious, but eventually we came across information taht changed our minds. I would bet many of us voted differently after that change.
Its not about being polite, though I'd still state that you ought to be polite, even if your message is agressive. I'm always agressive in ideological discussions as you might have figured. However what I'm saying is, that your words will have little meaning even if you throw away your manners, because I frankly don't see anything that you can offer to these people for them to re-consider their position for even a second.
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#20
RE: Take the fight to them.
(October 14, 2013 at 12:11 pm)Zazzy Wrote:
(October 14, 2013 at 12:08 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: No, it's not facebook that will ban you it's an employer looking at what you say and decide they don't want you working for them that I worry about.
This is so true, and is something that should give people pause. Just be careful leaving footprints back to your actual identity on the net- employers definitely look.

That is low risk, I never post on their facebook page and my co workers would not take the time to find me.
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