Drug testing welfare recipients: Discuss

[Drich]

What have you done?

I work hard to help make my company profitable and fair, and I help them save many times my salary so they can hire others. I majored in Economics and Industrial MGT in college so I understand which kind of businesses that I should support with my dollars. I vote the best I can with the choices I'm given. I give business ideas freely to others for their use. I give advice to the youngsters on how to best choose a career and how to build resumes.
I once ran a computer business with employees.

All in all, I do my share. What have you done other than to con people out of 10% of their income?

I've owned my own business for the last 10 years in the past 4 I bought into a franchise oppertunity to sell and service a specific brand of refrigeration equipment. We currently employ 7 people but have upto 15 for certain jobs. We make an effort to give people a second or even a third chance when they need it and if they can do the job. We have a recovering alcholic, 2 recovering drug people, one exdrug dealer (not corner sales, but massive shipments) one guy who has been to prision for really bad things, up to a few weeks ago a army vet, and then me and my wife. (my dad also has a spin off business where we/he sells refrigerated cargo vans.)

As far as wheat i have done for soceity/man Kind I am currently filing for two patents that will completely change my instustry, and how pershiable items/food gets delievered to warehouses, stores and restraunts. with 4 major evolutions of this project currently in development.

Once I get 'patent pending status' The plan is to open up manufacturing, and start processing some of the orders/commitments we have already taken.

If that happens, and we have the funds I'll invite anyone who wants to come and see what God has done for me for themselves long as they agree to a Sunday morning church service and are willing to goto a 'brunch' where we can do all of what we do here face to face.

What i plan for the future? If everything works out we will have to hire at leadt 5 more people to assemble componets, one or two more office workers, and a sales man who is willing to travel.

In addition to porportionally give back to God a measure of what I have been given, I want to have some videos made that better illustrate some of the things we all have discussed here. Like creation/evolution, noah's Ark, and some of the other major often use atheist arguements. Then I would like to either fund/find a church that focouses on answering questions. Most tend to focous on conversion and growing in size. I want to establish something that maybe is on line based that allows people to bring legitmate questions and concerns as to why they are not or can not be christian, and have someone work with them and answer questions.

Thoughts on other possiable outreaches:
When my wife and I were dealing with 'our' drug problem, I found it to be an extremely harsh experience. Because addicts generally marry adicts, and the spouce is viewed as apart of the problem. I want to help those who's spouces or children fall into drug use somehow, and dont really have the money or resources to get the help or support they need.

I want to reach out to those who maybe are growing up like I did. Not stupid, but their brains are wired differently. because of that they tend to fail in a traditional class room setting, but if given the correct inputs can work on a level far above and beyond their peers.

I guess over all I want to help those who have fallen through the cracks in life. Those who have a hard time fitting into life like everyone else.

[Clueless Morgan]

Nobody should be peeing in cups. It's just as wrong that you have to do it as it is anybody else.

I worked at an international manufacturing corporation and steel foundry as a part time job in college that drug tested me twice a year for a job where I sat at a desk doing next-to-meaningless data entry, ordered office supplies and maintained the department library. I totally understand drug testing at companies like this - for the manufacturing positions out in the foundry - but for an office job any bum off the street would have excelled at?

Well, I think that employers do have the right to what kind of a person they want to hire. I personally would not want to hire anyone that uses drugs. Is that not my right? For that purpose, if I require that employers take a drug test, what evil is there?

Would you fire someone you knew got drunk off their ass every weekend if they still showed up sober and ready to work on Monday?

I agree that the boss gets to decide who they hire and what kind of person they want working for them. But at what point does your boss get to dictate what you do in your personal time when what you do in your personal time doesn't affect your job performance? And if their personal time exploits do begin to affect their job performance, that person should face disciplinary action, be it firing or whatever the boss deems appropriate.[/quote]

I'm okay with initial (at the time of hiring) drug testing and random drug testing for people who work in manufacturing positions or positions where you work with heavy machinery because there are serious consequences if someone shows up to work drunk or high and jumps behind the wheel of a dump truck or is the guy in charge of the ladle full of molten steel dangling over your head, or is operating a crane or whatever.

[Zazzy]

I'm okay with initial (at the time of hiring) drug testing and random drug testing for people who work in manufacturing positions or positions where you work with heavy machinery because there are serious consequences if someone shows up to work drunk or high and jumps behind the wheel of a dump truck or is the guy in charge of the ladle full of molten steel dangling over your head, or is operating a crane or whatever.

What about for medical professionals, or people who take care of children, or any other job that comes with heavy responsibility for other people's well-being?

[kılıç_mehmet]

Would you fire someone you knew got drunk off their ass every weekend if they still showed up sober and ready to work on Monday?

Well, drinking is one thing, doing drugs is another. One is legal, the other is illegal. I personally would not take chances with hiring someone that was a habitual drug user.
If anyone is going to work for me, he or she must be clean. Some companies are not even okay with hiring smokers, let alone those who do drugs.

agree that the boss gets to decide who they hire and what kind of person they want working for them. But at what point does your boss get to dictate what you do in your personal time when what you do in your personal time doesn't affect your job performance? And if their personal time exploits do begin to affect their job performance, that person should face disciplinary action, be it firing or whatever the boss deems appropriate.

Well, your boss does not dictate what you do in your personal time. But your boss can actually determine whether to hire someone who mingles with criminals(drug dealers) on a regular basis.

I'm okay with initial (at the time of hiring) drug testing and random drug testing for people who work in manufacturing positions or positions where you work with heavy machinery because there are serious consequences if someone shows up to work drunk or high and jumps behind the wheel of a dump truck or is the guy in charge of the ladle full of molten steel dangling over your head, or is operating a crane or whatever.

As I said, I normally would not even expect a working man/woman to do such things. We don't have drug tests here, because we trust that a person who has an honest trade won't mingle with criminals such as drug dealers.

[Ryantology]

Would you fire someone you knew got drunk off their ass every weekend if they still showed up sober and ready to work on Monday?

Well, drinking is one thing, doing drugs is another. One is legal, the other is illegal. I personally would not take chances with hiring someone that was a habitual drug user.
If anyone is going to work for me, he or she must be clean. Some companies are not even okay with hiring smokers, let alone those who do drugs.

What does legality have to do with it?

[kılıç_mehmet]

Well, drinking is one thing, doing drugs is another. One is legal, the other is illegal. I personally would not take chances with hiring someone that was a habitual drug user.
If anyone is going to work for me, he or she must be clean. Some companies are not even okay with hiring smokers, let alone those who do drugs.

What does legality have to do with it?

Everything, obviously. You are hiring someone that regularly goes and mingles with criminals. His habit could get him arrested or worse. It would stain the name of the place he/she works in.

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Its like, would you hire a criminal? Someone with a record? Would you employ a sex-offender? Similarly, drugs carry a stigma upon them. I don't think that anyone would hire a person like that.

[Doubting Thomas]

So what if recreational drugs were legal, like say, in Colorado?

[Ryantology]

Everything, obviously. You are hiring someone that regularly goes and mingles with criminals. His habit could get him arrested or worse. It would stain the name of the place he/she works in.

Guess I shouldn't hire anybody who has relatives with criminal backgrounds, for that same reason.

Its like, would you hire a criminal? Someone with a record? Would you employ a sex-offender? Similarly, drugs carry a stigma upon them. I don't think that anyone would hire a person like that.

I would, depending on what the crime was. I have no problem with drug users who control their habits.