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What logical fallacies are William Lane Craig's favorite?
November 4, 2013 at 8:31 pm
I'm watching a debate between WLC and Christopher Hitchen's linked here
http://youtu.be/4KBx4vvlbZ8
I noticed WLC here using a lot of fallacies, while hitchens uses none. I can not help but think, holy appeal to authority batman. What do you think is wlc's favorite logical fallacy.
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RE: What logical fallacies are William Lane Craig's favorite?
November 4, 2013 at 10:22 pm
No thought's?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: What logical fallacies are William Lane Craig's favorite?
November 4, 2013 at 10:26 pm
His tactic is to use lots of big words, say them very quickly, so no one kknows what he means and somehow people fall for that and think he's right.
I only listened to him once and I couldn't even finish listening, he just kept using philosophical terms and pretty soon it's all meaningless to me.
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RE: What logical fallacies are William Lane Craig's favorite?
November 4, 2013 at 10:36 pm
(November 4, 2013 at 10:26 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: His tactic is to use lots of big words, say them very quickly, so no one kknows what he means and somehow people fall for that and think he's right.
I only listened to him once and I couldn't even finish listening, he just kept using philosophical terms and pretty soon it's all meaningless to me.
Informally, I believe the term is "Gish Gallop".
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RE: What logical fallacies are William Lane Craig's favorite?
November 4, 2013 at 10:49 pm
(November 4, 2013 at 10:36 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (November 4, 2013 at 10:26 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: His tactic is to use lots of big words, say them very quickly, so no one kknows what he means and somehow people fall for that and think he's right.
I only listened to him once and I couldn't even finish listening, he just kept using philosophical terms and pretty soon it's all meaningless to me.
Informally, I believe the term is "Gish Gallop".
A kissing cousin to 'psychobabble' and 'legalese'?
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RE: What logical fallacies are William Lane Craig's favorite?
November 4, 2013 at 11:10 pm
(November 4, 2013 at 10:49 pm)Captain Colostomy Wrote: (November 4, 2013 at 10:36 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Informally, I believe the term is "Gish Gallop".
A kissing cousin to 'psychobabble' and 'legalese'?
More like "buried in bullshit".
Oh wait, yes - exactly like that.
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RE: What logical fallacies are William Lane Craig's favorite?
November 4, 2013 at 11:18 pm
(November 4, 2013 at 10:49 pm)Captain Colostomy Wrote: A kissing cousin to 'psychobabble'.... (partial quote)
I have a keen sense that you are using diversionary and dissuasive language to mask the true
nature of your impetus, thus disabling any truly accurate collection of data worth examining.
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RE: What logical fallacies are William Lane Craig's favorite?
November 4, 2013 at 11:31 pm
I dunno, he seems really horny for appeals to authority, but like all good christians he makes apt use of strawmen
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: What logical fallacies are William Lane Craig's favorite?
November 5, 2013 at 1:28 am
I say it's Special Pleading.
He makes various "philosophical" arguments for his Christian god, all of which could just as easily be applied to any other god or any other religion. In fact, special pleading really is the sine qua non of faith. After all, faith is belief without evidence and against all evidence. Yet, Craig wouldn't accept the existence of Shiva or Allah on the same basis.
The bare assertion fallacy is one I often see him hitting. "Without God, and by 'God', I of course mean Jesus, there can be no objective morals. But since objective morals exist..." Back up the truck, Hoss, you haven't provided any evidence for either assertion.
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RE: What logical fallacies are William Lane Craig's favorite?
November 5, 2013 at 1:38 am
(November 5, 2013 at 1:28 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: I say it's Special Pleading.
He makes various "philosophical" arguments for his Christian god, all of which could just as easily be applied to any other god or any other religion. In fact, special pleading really is the sine qua non of faith. After all, faith is belief without evidence and against all evidence. Yet, Craig wouldn't accept the existence of Shiva or Allah on the same basis.
The bare assertion fallacy is one I often see him hitting. "Without God, and by 'God', I of course mean Jesus, there can be no objective morals. But since objective morals exist..." Back up the truck, Hoss, you haven't provided any evidence for either assertion.
Yeah, but pretty much every apologist has to do that. Still why the fuck does he state that he is a professional philosopher, in what seems like every public engagement?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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