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God is timeless
#11
RE: God is timeless
(December 3, 2013 at 9:50 am)FreeTony Wrote: What does it even mean?

It is merely a nonsense answer, same as is their god, that they pull from their asses.
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#12
RE: God is timeless
(December 3, 2013 at 11:35 am)enrico Wrote: Time start ticking as the creation start.
If the creation has been going on for ever then the time has been going on for ever.
That however has no relevance on God status and equipoise.
It is like the ocean.
The water evaporate creating a continuum but the ocean rest unaffected so time has no relevance and does not exist for the core of this ocean of consciousness. Cool Shades

Yes, essentially when I asked this before to Christians I got this kind of response. Vague metaphors and unsubstantiated assertions. Have you got some sort of evidence to support this? How could you even test the hypothesis that "God is timeless"? I realise from your post that English is not your first language, but if you make it a little more coherent that may help.

Yes, I do realise that Chrisitans are saying these things just to support their own beliefs. However what does interest me is if they've actually thought about them to any great extent, or are just happy stating them with no real understanding of the implications of what they are saying?
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#13
RE: God is timeless
(December 3, 2013 at 1:30 pm)FreeTony Wrote: ...or are just happy stating them with no real understanding of the implications of what they are saying?
Ignorance is bliss.
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#14
RE: God is timeless
(December 3, 2013 at 1:30 pm)FreeTony Wrote:
(December 3, 2013 at 11:35 am)enrico Wrote:


Yes, essentially when I asked this before to Christians I got this kind of response. Vague metaphors and unsubstantiated assertions. Have you got some sort of evidence to support this? How could you even test the hypothesis that "God is timeless"? I realise from your post that English is not your first language, but if you make it a little more coherent that may help.

Yes, I do realise that Chrisitans are saying these things just to support their own beliefs. However what does interest me is if they've actually thought about them to any great extent, or are just happy stating them with no real understanding of the implications of what they are saying?

What Christians should say is that God is "timeless," eternal, in no need of time. Man needs time to describe the length of things such as a day or a life and ect. God doesn't concern Himself with time he gave it for man's benefit.

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#15
RE: God is timeless
Quote:That however has no relevance on God status and equipoise.

Right. God is irrelevant.


Quote:What Christians should say is that God is "timeless," eternal, in no need of time.

Xtians say lots of silly shit, G-C.
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#16
RE: God is timeless
(December 3, 2013 at 1:30 pm)FreeTony Wrote:
(December 3, 2013 at 11:35 am)enrico Wrote: Time start ticking as the creation start.
If the creation has been going on for ever then the time has been going on for ever.
That however has no relevance on God status and equipoise.
It is like the ocean.
The water evaporate creating a continuum but the ocean rest unaffected so time has no relevance and does not exist for the core of this ocean of consciousness. Cool Shades

Yes, essentially when I asked this before to Christians I got this kind of response. Vague metaphors and unsubstantiated assertions. Have you got some sort of evidence to support this? How could you even test the hypothesis that "God is timeless"? I realise from your post that English is not your first language, but if you make it a little more coherent that may help.

Yes, I do realise that Chrisitans are saying these things just to support their own beliefs. However what does interest me is if they've actually thought about them to any great extent, or are just happy stating them with no real understanding of the implications of what they are saying?


You are very finicky.
In your OP you ask for an explanation then when i give you an explanation you are still not happy.
Now you ask for evidence.
This is the usual problem for anyone who is not interested in building up a relationship with that entity that we want to understand.
Would you get closer and closer with someone that is not interested in you?
This is how the system works.
You can go to the uni and get your degree in whatever you want.
That is not that difficult as all physical phenomena are easily grasped.
When instead you try to understand something NOT physical then you certainly need a different approach and that approach is spiritual.
As far as you deny the spirit within your chances to understand God will be zero. Smile
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#17
RE: God is timeless
(December 3, 2013 at 9:50 am)FreeTony Wrote: "God is timeless" is something Christians spout all the time. Along with "God is both inside and outside time"

What does it even mean? Whenever I've asked for clarification none is given, they just expect you to accept this with no explanation. I'm coming at this with a background in physics.

Time is very difficult to understand and as far as I'm aware no one really does, though plenty of work is being done to establish it. It could well be that time is just an illusion.

I just don't understand what they can possibly mean. Anyone clear it up, or am I thinking about it in too much depth and it's just pseudo-scientific garbage with no meaning at all?

God is for the masses.
The masses don't understand the concept of time.
"god is timeless" is a perfectly suitable gibberish for those masses.
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#18
RE: God is timeless
(December 4, 2013 at 7:35 am)enrico Wrote: You are very finicky.
In your OP you ask for an explanation then when i give you an explanation you are still not happy.
Now you ask for evidence.
This is the usual problem for anyone who is not interested in building up a relationship with that entity that we want to understand.
Would you get closer and closer with someone that is not interested in you?
This is how the system works.
You can go to the uni and get your degree in whatever you want.
That is not that difficult as all physical phenomena are easily grasped.
When instead you try to understand something NOT physical then you certainly need a different approach and that approach is spiritual.
As far as you deny the spirit within your chances to understand God will be zero. Smile

You see Tony? Look at what an addled mind can produce! Enrico is a pretty good specimen to study because he's so off his rocker he could be used as a benchmark of "most insane".

Assuming you could make him sit still for more than a few minutes (get him to do some yoga or something, he's down with that shit), he could produce some interesting data.
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#19
RE: God is timeless
(December 4, 2013 at 7:35 am)enrico Wrote: You are very finicky.
In your OP you ask for an explanation then when i give you an explanation you are still not happy.
Now you ask for evidence.
This is the usual problem for anyone who is not interested in building up a relationship with that entity that we want to understand.
Would you get closer and closer with someone that is not interested in you?
This is how the system works.
You can go to the uni and get your degree in whatever you want.
That is not that difficult as all physical phenomena are easily grasped.
When instead you try to understand something NOT physical then you certainly need a different approach and that approach is spiritual.
As far as you deny the spirit within your chances to understand God will be zero. Smile

I'm new here, but this has got to be a joke surely???

Evidence is essential yes. Is that a problem? What essentially you want me to do is just accept what you say, without either of us understanding your statement. If I don't accept it then it's my fault for not understanding it?

If you really do understand what you are saying then answer me the following:

How do I test if something is timeless?
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#20
RE: God is timeless
(December 4, 2013 at 9:54 am)FreeTony Wrote:
(December 4, 2013 at 7:35 am)enrico Wrote: You are very finicky.
In your OP you ask for an explanation then when i give you an explanation you are still not happy.
Now you ask for evidence.
This is the usual problem for anyone who is not interested in building up a relationship with that entity that we want to understand.
Would you get closer and closer with someone that is not interested in you?
This is how the system works.
You can go to the uni and get your degree in whatever you want.
That is not that difficult as all physical phenomena are easily grasped.
When instead you try to understand something NOT physical then you certainly need a different approach and that approach is spiritual.
As far as you deny the spirit within your chances to understand God will be zero. Smile

I'm new here, but this has got to be a joke surely???

Evidence is essential yes. Is that a problem? What essentially you want me to do is just accept what you say, without either of us understanding your statement. If I don't accept it then it's my fault for not understanding it?

If you really do understand what you are saying then answer me the following:
How do I test if something is timeless?


You can not be in London and Rome at the same time.
You and we humans are UNIdimensional not MULTIdimensional in nature but if we want to overcome this limitation then we will have to expand our consciousness.
It involve a lot of hard work and it also involve an open mind.
When you think that the life is finite and there is nothing outside this dimension and when you think that if God ever exist must be outside and not within then you start with the wrong foot and as i already said your chances to understand how the whole system works are zero.
There is not much difference between an atheist and a religious person.
Both of you are stuck in blind faith and dogma.
It will take a lot of time to find out what you are asking for but at the same time is all very very close to your life.
It is so close in fact that can not be any closer.
Search within with an open mind and you will find. Smile
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