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God is timeless
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RE: God is timeless
(December 4, 2013 at 11:10 am)enrico Wrote: You can not be in London and Rome at the same time.
You and we humans are UNIdimensional not MULTIdimensional in nature
No. Physically, I operate in at least 4 obvious dimensions (the 3Ds of space + time) and possibly up to 11 (as I understand the maths now tell us). Psychologically, I'm far from one-dimensional (positively hyper-dimential - see what I did there?) although you'd have to meet me to really appreciate that Angel

Quote:...but if we want to overcome this limitation then we will have to expand our consciousness.
Well, you do: your obvious misunderstanding of reality means there's lots of limitations for you to overcome. I wish you all the best with that.

Quote:It involve a lot of hard work and it also involve an open mind.
What? Misunderstanding & ignorance involve no work at all and certainly require a mind closed to the evidence. You misrepresent your position in a most fundamentally flawed way.

Quote:When you think that the life is finite...
Which I do...

Quote:...and there is nothing outside this dimension...
Eh?

Quote:...and when you think that if God ever exist must be outside and not within
...now you've lost me.

Quote:...then you start with the wrong foot and as i already said your chances to understand how the whole system works are zero.
But you've given me nothing with which to generate any understanding of any system. You haven't even described a system, just made a bunch of useless assertions.

Quote:There is not much difference between an atheist and a religious person. Both of you are stuck in blind faith and dogma.
I don't know how often I have to correct you on this... never mind, I'll go again. Atheism, being an absence of theism, has no attributes on which to have faith or dogma. You do understand that saying "You're as bad as us" is no defense at all?

Quote:It will take a lot of time to find out what you are asking for but at the same time is all very very close to your life.
It is so close in fact that can not be any closer.
Search within with an open mind and you will find. Smile
To nick a phrase from The Amazing Apo: What is this, non sequitur hour?
Sum ergo sum
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#22
RE: God is timeless
(December 4, 2013 at 7:35 am)enrico Wrote: You are very finicky.
In your OP you ask for an explanation then when i give you an explanation you are still not happy.
Now you ask for evidence.
This is the usual problem for anyone who is not interested in building up a relationship with that entity that we want to understand.
Would you get closer and closer with someone that is not interested in you?
This is how the system works.
You can go to the uni and get your degree in whatever you want.
That is not that difficult as all physical phenomena are easily grasped.
When instead you try to understand something NOT physical then you certainly need a different approach and that approach is spiritual.
As far as you deny the spirit within your chances to understand God will be zero. Smile


You and Drich and GC have the same problem. You claim to speak for God or the infinite, but you only speak for yourself.

You know nothing of any god or the infinite. The only thing you know about is what it's like being blinded by your own jizz.


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RE: God is timeless
(December 4, 2013 at 12:12 pm)apophenia Wrote: You and Drich and GC have the same problem. You claim to speak for God or the infinite, but you only speak for yourself.

You know nothing of any god or the infinite. The only thing you know about is what it's like being blinded by your own jizz.

Which can be quite messy and leave nasty stains.... Angel

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#24
RE: God is timeless
(December 4, 2013 at 9:54 am)FreeTony Wrote: I'm new here, but this has got to be a joke surely???

To enrico, no. To the rest of us, yes.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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#25
RE: God is timeless
Enrico - given you have demonstrated you don't even know what a dimension is, it's highly unlikely you can explain how something can be outside of one (if indeed this is what you mean by timeless, you haven't actualy gotten that far).

However you can try again by answering the question I've already asked: How can you test whether something is timeless?

Please please please no more metaphors. If I asked any sane person how to test something, e.g. the mass of a bag of sugar, their reply wouldn't be a metaphor.
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RE: God is timeless
(December 4, 2013 at 2:38 am)Godschild Wrote: God doesn't concern Himself with time he gave it for man's benefit.
Just curious then, what was the purpose of including caveats in time that we wouldn't find for millenia later?

If time is just for us, why did he make it elastic and not consistent?
Why does time change when you go faster? Why does time change when you approach massive gravity sources? Etc....
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#27
RE: God is timeless
(December 4, 2013 at 1:47 pm)LostLocke Wrote:
(December 4, 2013 at 2:38 am)Godschild Wrote: God doesn't concern Himself with time he gave it for man's benefit.
Just curious then, what was the purpose of including caveats in time that we wouldn't find for millenia later?

If time is just for us, why did he make it elastic and not consistent?
Why does time change when you go faster? Why does time change when you approach massive gravity sources? Etc....

God's eternal what use does an eternal being have for time.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#28
RE: God is timeless
(December 3, 2013 at 9:50 am)FreeTony Wrote: "God is timeless" is something Christians spout all the time. Along with "God is both inside and outside time"

What does it even mean? Whenever I've asked for clarification none is given, they just expect you to accept this with no explanation. I'm coming at this with a background in physics.

Time is very difficult to understand and as far as I'm aware no one really does, though plenty of work is being done to establish it. It could well be that time is just an illusion.

I just don't understand what they can possibly mean. Anyone clear it up, or am I thinking about it in too much depth and it's just pseudo-scientific garbage with no meaning at all?



It means they're making shit up to justify their beliefs and desperately answer criticisms.
Dying to live, living to die.
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#29
RE: God is timeless
I always thought it meant that God is not part of or bound by the causal chain unless He wants to be.
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#30
RE: God is timeless
(December 4, 2013 at 8:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: God's eternal what use does an eternal being have for time.
That has absolutely nothing to with the question I asked.

Would you like to try again?
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