Alqaeda is a U.S., Saudi and Israeli backed organization.

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Alright, I'm will concede that the FBI might have had prior knowledge of the WTC bombing, and had an informant in on the whole thing. Except the transcripts are far from decisive on the matter of them orchestrating the bombing. Given that there was hours of transcripts, and this one little bit alone is the only part that suggests this, this is a vague suggestion at best. The only thing that it DOES show is that the FBI knew there was a plot to bomb the WTC. Given that they're the guys who deal with this sort of thing anyways, somehow their knowledge of it does not surprise me. What WOULD surprise me, however, is if the CIA were his handlers instead, because such a situation as you describe would go through them, NOT the FBI; CIA has closer inner ties to the government and tends to handle affairs of international proportion. This would be a situation wherein if the US was trying to support this idea of yours-

You know, let me just pump the brakes right there and just ask, at this point, what would this hope to achieve? Were we going to go and invade Iraq? Funny thing, the US government came to the conclusion that Iraq was NOT involved. This group was active for over a decade and attacked us repeatedly, without any ties being established anywhere until the Taliban openly began sponsoring and sheltering al-Qaeda, and even then we only invaded Afghanistan once we had a particularly vehement reason to do so. They'd been attacking US targets for a DECADE, OK? In no way were they things that would prompt an invasion of Afghanistan. And how did we go from "invade Afghanistan" to "invade Iraq" if Iraq was the real goal to piss off the arabic world? Why not elsewhere, huh? Why not Iraq itself? Bush had a daddy's-grudge against Saddam, and his rich oil buddies wanted to profit from war, that's all there was to it, al-Qaeda has only served to hinder that, not make it easier. They've continued to attack US interests in the mean-time as well.

You have "the FBI had some knowledge about a plot to bomb the WTC, we invaded Iraq after Afghanistan, therefore al-Qaeda is working for the US and the US is supporting al-Qaeda" as an argument. Well.



Looks like Raayan wasn't the only one who bought Tom's invention. And the last eight seconds really describes your whole claim.

Do you believe that Taliban, northern alliance and Alqaeda are clearly distinguishable entities or are they a loose collection of fighters that often depending on circumstances cooperate with one another regarding attacks and fighters being used?

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Creed of Heresy'

You're full of hog shit. I have no problem with Israel, and I am "western leftist." Your generalizations for something that is much more complicated than your bullshit dumbdowning would suggest. Nice job stereotyping.

Firstly I am not going o reply using the immature and abusive style you do. You would not do it to my face off lines o I request you behave with a modicum of civility.

I did not refer to 'all leftists' but Western leftist associations are almost all rabidly Anti Israel, there are a few people on the left who are more open minded but not many. I have also no idea how left you actually are

Riiiiiight, and Osama bin Laden denouncing the US establishment of bases in Saudi Arabia and calling for them to leave (even though they were, you know, attacking Iraqi forces and bombing Iraq and raiding Iraqi facilities from those bases), the establishment of whose bases already outraged the more radical muslim world, and oh you forgot a dozen other attacks they made against US interests or soldiers.

They are more than happy to attack the US to further its other aims but its intentions are to change things in the Middle east not Europe/USA. Getting the USA to leave the Middle east is extremely important for them so they can overthrow the gulf governments in an attempt to form a Khalifate but forming the Khalifate is whats important. The USA is just an obstacle

SO what were those, huh? Do tell me. Given that none of those were directed against the US in ways that would incite an invasion of Afghanistan to piss off muslims to make us attack Iraq-

That's barely an attack a year and all designed to mobilise Muslims to overthrow US allies.

Your entire idea is stupid and you should feel stupid for spewing this bullshit.

You should feel stupid for using such childish language

AQ and the US are NOT diametrically opposed.

Read above.

I have read your childish spew

No. No they were not, and are not, and you have nothing to back this up. Shut the fuck up with your stupid conspiracy theory bullshit, armchair warrior.

There is no conspiracy theory it is quite obvious. Ghaddafi was opposed ,first and foremostly , to the salafis and it was them who lead many of the militant groups attacking them. By removing Ghaddaffi AQ/Salafism was massively strengthened. perhaps you don;t think that the Allies and the USSR were on the same in in ww2 either

They've never HAD interaction with Syria, you unbelievably stupid nutbag! Syria and the US have, at BEST, animosity, and they have for decades.

You think that the USA/UK have had no interaction with the free Syrian Army? SO those aid packages from UK/USA just materialised out of thin air?

And yes you have never materially supported AQ but your actio0ns have certianly acheived results that benefits AQ and you have certainly fought directly against AQ's enemies. I realise that in the black and white world of the American teenager that might be a little difficult to fathm. Do try and keep up

Your opinion is suffering from severe intellectual-bipolar disorder.

To a certain uninformed mind it might look that way.

As I said before. The less someone knows, the more opinion they have. And you? You are FULL of opinions on this topic.

That's a rule is it?

Learn. Read. Study. And get your head out of your ass.

So that I can have a simplistic binary view of world events? Or so that I can use such immature language?

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Do you believe that Taliban, northern alliance and Alqaeda are clearly distinguishable entities or are they a loose collection of fighters that often depending on circumstances cooperate with one another regarding attacks and fighters being used?

If you would, please delete the message you are about to quote when you are posting. Makes it easier to find where your post begins, because yours are very short. Which isn't a good thing...

They are all actually quite distinguishable entities. They do not often make their allegiances a secret; they end up fighting each other almost as much as they fight their actual enemies. There are also many other ways of determining which group is operating and in which ways. Speak to a strategician if you ever get the chance and they'll tell you all the many ways different means of intel come to determine who is doing or who has done what, from method of attack to discipline level, effectiveness, coordination, and ability of the attackers, and also from equipment. And even sometimes simple standard garb.

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là bạn điên: Reading your post, I think my reply to you was done under a misunderstanding of what you were saying, as opposed to the posts actual contents. The way you explained it this time actually sounds far more accurate with what the original post was trying to say.