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The 'Proof' Christians Don't Talk About
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The 'Proof' Christians Don't Talk About
A lot of atheists here don't understand what kind of "proof" the religious get from god, and I've noticed that all the theists around here is say that they get the proof and that's it. Their reasoning being, the proof is dumb even to them. And yet they add it to their repertoire of a mountain of shit they think confirms that they aren't alone.

Here's an example that I know for a fact every Christian I've ever encountered as a Christian and asked about, believes in. Just google "the number 11 and god", and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Post your own, if you think about any.


Quote:Number Quickening

From 101 Ways God Speaks (And How to Hear Him)

“Therefore, be on the alert— for you do not know when the master of the house is coming, whether in the evening, at midnight, at cockcrowing, or in the morning— lest he come suddenly and find you asleep. “And what I say to you I say to all, ‘Be on the alert!’” (Mark 13:35-37 NASB)

The Lord often mentions timing when He speaks of seasons, years, months, days, hours, minutes and even seconds. When the Lord quickens numbers, sometimes they represent a period of time. Once I saw an abacus, my fingers dividing four equal rows of seven buttons each. I understood that to be exactly four weeks to the very day. The detail was precise and I marked it in my journal calendar.
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I have a pastor friend who had a most interesting experience with numbers. It all started the year before when he prayed, “Lord, please come and pour out Your Spirit upon us. Do anything You want, I just want to know that it is You and not some deception of the enemy.” About the same time he noticed every time he looked at a digital clock the time would consistently be 11:11 (AM and PM). This continued for several weeks.



Between digital clocks, car odometers, wrist watches, video camera timers, VCR’s, computers, microwaves, score boards, exercise bike timers, signs and broken calculators — for all the trouble the Lord has gone through, all I can say is THIS SEASON IS REALLY GOING TO BE GOOD!

Other than the Lord quickening clocks and numbers to cross reference with scriptures, there is another way the Lord quickens numbers to me. Often when I see a vision or hear Him, I will glance at the clock and note the time. This is an instinctive thing prompted by the Holy Spirit though a glance of my eyes. The clock time is quickened to me and so I record it with the vision or Word. Later I look up the clock time in the Greek and Hebrew numbers from the Strong’s Concordance. This is often a wonderful confirming addition to His Word.

he following happens to be a literal example: I saw a vision of 19:42 on the face of a digital clock. The 42 seconds were flashing. Then I heard the Lord say, “Cloud. I AM with you. Follow Me.” The Strongs number 1942 in the Hebrew meant ‘calamity’ and in the Greek, it meant a ‘covering or veil’. I understood the Lord was telling me He would cover me or protect me from calamity by the cloud of His Presence. Since I also saw the number 42 flashing, I looked it up separately. In the Hebrew it meant ‘my father is delight’ and in the Greek it meant ‘holiness’. The Lord was affirming that He is holy and my delight, and He had indeed spoken this Word of promised protection.


Now, I'm going to be honest and concede that I too thought god spoke to me in numbers. I thought I was getting confirmation or condemnation based on what numbers I was or wasn't seeing.
Since I stopped believing in god altogether, I'm happy to report, I still see 11:11 regularly and often for weeks at a time and then it just stops for long periods of time, then it shows up again-- Sometimes during poignant times in my atheist life Big Grin
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: The 'Proof' Christians Don't Talk About
For years, actually, I think, since I got a phone that told me the actual, real time, I've looked at the clock at 11:11 at least once a day. I think my internal clock has just programmed me that way. Also, OCD.
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RE: The 'Proof' Christians Don't Talk About
Quote:Here's an example that I know for a fact every Christian I've ever encountered as a Christian and asked about, believes in.

Ahem Wink Shades
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
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RE: The 'Proof' Christians Don't Talk About
(December 16, 2013 at 4:40 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:
Quote:Here's an example that I know for a fact every Christian I've ever encountered as a Christian and asked about, believes in.

Ahem Wink Shades

She hasn't been a christian since she joined this forum, and hence she never encountered you as a christian. Tongue
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RE: The 'Proof' Christians Don't Talk About
Or... how many times has he looked at the clock and NOT thought it significant because he wasn't looking at it right at 11:11? A clock is designed to look at to get the time, which I'm assuming most people including this pastor do all day long. It's just that the time 11:11 tends to stick out in people's minds, and not, say, 3:41. So every time he sees 11:11 he makes a mental note of it, and possibly his mind has trained him to look at the clock about that time every day because he's making such a big deal out of 11:11.

I don't smoke marijuana, but I often notice when the clock says 4:20, and I kind of make a little joke to myself about it. "Duuude, 4:20! Cool." Do I make a mental note whenever I read the clock at other times? Not particularly. Not even at 12:34.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: The 'Proof' Christians Don't Talk About
Don't know if it counts but we have a code of betting in poker... 40 = france 230 = chinese dentist etc... Does that count?
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
Sith code
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RE: The 'Proof' Christians Don't Talk About
(December 16, 2013 at 2:38 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Don't know if it counts but we have a code of betting in poker... 40 = france 230 = chinese dentist etc... Does that count?

-No.

Big Grin

Incidentally, not only have my "number quickening abilities" been unchanged, but I also run across instances that I would've otherwise attributed to god. Stuff just happens.
During my deconversion I also since flipped god off and the devil and dared them to send me their worst demons ever. To literally make me a ceiling crawling head twisting possessed crazy person. Someone came on this forum stating that they thought god killed their dog. So I also dared them to kill my dog.

Dogs fine, I'm fine. All of my childhood nightmares were for naught.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: The 'Proof' Christians Don't Talk About
I don't get it.
I see numbers all the time. Hell, once I even got two invoices on the same day from different vendors that said I owed $666.00. Should I now believe in the antichrist and that it's a sign the end is coming?

Fact: Sheep are stupid. I choose not to be. Best to ignore retarded ideas from christards. Dodgy
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RE: The 'Proof' Christians Don't Talk About
Oh I just love it when I look at the clock (digital) and it reads
11:11 11:12 11:13

and then
12:11 12:12 12:13

Yeah you get the drift. The fun ones ARE

11:11, 12:12, 22:22, 23:23, 14:14, 13:13 Yeah I run on Twenty four hour time no PM on our clocks.

Ya know what is worst?
Going to bed at 21:21 and waking up again at 23:23 and 01:50 (hour of my birth) Dodgy
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RE: The 'Proof' Christians Don't Talk About
When I was in the military we had these 24-hour clocks hanging from the ceiling. They were 6 digit clocks so they counted the seconds, too. When the clock read 22:22:22 we'd all yell "twos!" Since it was only about 40 minutes until the end of our shift, it was a way to have some lighthearted fun. On the day shift, there was "Count!" at 12:34:56 but it wasn't quite as popular, probably because it happened only about halfway through the shift.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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