Why did God create Evil?

[Godscreated]

From the NASB Isaiah 45:7 The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well being and creating calamity;
I am the Lord who does all these.

From the NLT Isaiah 45:7 I am the One who creates the light and makes the darkness, I am the One who sends good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the One who does these things.

From the NIV Isaiah 45:7 I form light and create darkness,
I make well-being and create calamity,
I am the LORD, who does all these things.

The Hebrew word is ra', rah: meaning bad, adversity, calamity, affliction or displeasure. Seems you guys have misunderstood this verse.

GC

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GC gives another great example of consistency, that provides an oportunity of reductio:

1- God created the universe
2- Evil is a part of the universe
3- God didn't create evil, (where did we got that idea?)
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1-3 RA, QED.

God created the universe, man is part of the universe, man is the only one who has evil, man chooses evil.

GC

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God did not create evil, where did you get such an idea.

GC

Well, the nicene creed says created all things, seen and unseen. If he didn't, who did?

And don't say "humans". If we were made in Gods image and we have evil in us, it was still Gods work.

God did not say He created evil, so why do you believe He did, further more why would He, why would God put Himself through having to deal with evil? Who created love, kindness, generosity, purity and ect.? I just love how people without a valid argument will limit the argument with restrictions, it's a classic I'm going to take the real answer away so you can't use it against me. Pitiful, absolutely pitiful.

GC

[Chad32]

Answer: Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version reads, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”

Quick google search brought me to this. The beloved KJV says he creates evil. There is no misreading this. It says word for word that he creates evil.

Yahweh has done things that most people consider evil. He is capable of evil acts such as causing genocide and permitting slavery and rape. The closest it comes to claiming he doesn't do evil is stating that he doesn't sin. Sin has little, if anything, to do with good or evil. It only means what he does and doesn't like. The two are different. The only reason he doesn't sin is that no one can force him to do something he doesn't want to do.

[GodsRevolt]

Without evil, is there good? No, because the concepts are relative to each other. The presence of evil allows for the manifestation of good, that is, the manifestation of God.

Here is my problem with this argument. God is not reliant on evil in order to manifest Himself. God does not rely on anything.

Evil is a turning away from God and the natural order He has created. If the world was an engine, God would be the oil. When we deny the oil, the engine begins to break down. When we turn from God, we commit evil, and it isn't just in denying Him. It is acting out in ways that are not in line with the natural order.

[Chad32]

If Yahweh, or any god, was so in tune with the natural order as to be compared to oil in a machine, there would be evidence of him. The world spins fine without any concrete evidence of supernatural forces. Otherwise we wouldn't be debating the existence of Yahweh thousands of years after people start writing about him.

[Polaris]

How can you know what is good if there is no evil to tempt?

You cannot have good without evil.

[houseofcantor]

Without evil, is there good? No, because the concepts are relative to each other. The presence of evil allows for the manifestation of good, that is, the manifestation of God.

It is acting out in ways that are not in line with the natural order.

Having a Cloud Atlas flashback... there is a natural order of things and those who disregard it do so at their own peril or some such. It was Elron!

Anyhoo, doesn't get around the "creation problem." If the choices are a/b/c, then d ain't even on the table. We cannot pick a fruit that isn't there, nor a paradigm uncreated.

[GodsRevolt]

If Yahweh, or any god, was so in tune with the natural order as to be compared to oil in a machine, there would be evidence of him. The world spins fine without any concrete evidence of supernatural forces. Otherwise we wouldn't be debating the existence of Yahweh thousands of years after people start writing about him.

I am not a big fan of extending metaphors out too much because I think any metaphor you use has inherent limitations in ANY situation, but I might say this: The perfect oil would leave no evidence other than a smoothly operating machine.

Aside from that, thought, isn't it an odd thing to do when you put unfounded expectations on something and then get riled up about that thing not living up to your expectations? Assuming there is a God, which I do, there is no reason to believe that He needs to make Himself known at all past the obligatory, "I Am". Is there?

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Anyhoo, doesn't get around the "creation problem." If the choices are a/b/c, then d ain't even on the table. We cannot pick a fruit that isn't there, nor a paradigm uncreated.

I must have missed it. What creation problem? That God created evil?

God created beings with the freedom to choose. That means there is the opportunity to turn towards God (good) or to turn away from God (evil).

Because that's what good and evil are, aren't they? Not measurable results of an experiment or what most people agree on. They are individual choices.

[Chad32]

If he wants people to worship him, he needs people to know he exists. Especially if we're supposed to believe that he wants us all to go to heaven. As it stands, almost no one on earth will get to heaven, most of which just because they were born in the wrong part of the world.

As far as the metaphor goes, there's nothing in this world that shows it needing a supernatural force to keep it running. Or that supernatural things exist.

[Ryantology]

How can you know what is good if there is no evil to tempt?

You cannot have good without evil.

Like a cop who commits crimes so that there's a use for cops.

Philosophically speaking, why is it necessary for us to know what 'good' is, if there's no 'evil'?

Assuming there is a God, which I do, there is no reason to believe that He needs to make Himself known at all past the obligatory, "I Am". Is there?

Absolutely, if he is concerned about whether anybody believes in him or wishes to follow the rules he laid down. Pictures of Mom and Dad on the wall don't do a very good job raising kids, do they?

God created the universe, man is part of the universe, man is the only one who has evil, man chooses evil.

Did we design ourselves to have the capacity to commit evil?

That usually evokes the tired old 'free will' argument, but that's just a shit sandwich fit only for stupid mouths like yours.

God could have designed humans to reproduce in any number of ways. We could have mating seasons, like so many animals do. We could do it by cutting off our hair and having an infant grow out of it. God could do anything, after all, so your imagination's the limit.

But, how did God choose to do it? He chose to design human beings so that sexual intercourse could happen at any time, with any mate. He chose to design sexual intercourse intensely pleasurable. Then he chose to come up with a hundred different rules limiting sexual intercourse. He chose to design the male body so that having sex with another male was not only possible but pleasurable. Then he chose to order people not to do it.

If you didn't want us having buttsex, you shouldn't have given us butts, you stupid fucker.

[Neo-Scholastic]

I guess if one had an uncontrollable compulsive need for taking it up the ass then atheism is one way to ease your shame.

Seems like all the talk about genocide, biblical inconsistencies, and lack of evidence is just a distraction. The only thing some of you care about is giving license to your filthy desires.