Political Compass

[Gish]

Fixed it for you. Central planning is inherently authoritarian.

Find me one quote suggesting that the mature Marx supported centralized planning. The mature Marx supported decentralized democratic planning.

The mature Marx? Granted, I haven't read that much Marx, so you're probably right. How different is mature Marxism from the Leninist variety that I am more familiar with?

[EgoRaptor]

Find me one quote suggesting that the mature Marx supported centralized planning. The mature Marx supported decentralized democratic planning.

The mature Marx? Granted, I haven't read that much Marx, so you're probably right. How different is mature Marxism from the Leninist variety that I am more familiar with?

Actually Lenin only implemented central planning as a emergency wartime measure called "war communism". This is actually a frequent wartime measure. The idea was to go back to market socialism after the war. The only prominent party member at the time who wanted to keep war communism as a permanent measure was Bukharin, who was considered one of the most right-wing members of the communist party (comparatively of course, Bukharin was still far left).

There are of course differences between Leninism & orthodox Marxism as well. Lenin centralized power in a way Marx had advocated in the Manifesto, but the more mature Marx went back on such ideas. Rosa Luxemburg also criticized Lenin & Trotsky from a Marxist perspective, believing they had taken, rather than given, power to the workers. The "Pope of Marxism"; Karl Kautsky was an even more fierce critic of Leninism, believing Russia to be underdeveloped & unfit for communism. This I tend to agree with, as Marx said that capitalism would have to develop before communism could be achieved. Russia was still a feudal country. Leapfrogging over the capitalist stage of development was sure to end in disaster.

[Cato]

Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23