Are mormons hard working people

[Chas]

But even if it is a lie, there are well known people in the media who are mormons who have gotten to where they are today. And mormonism is a small minority.

Like "Brandon Flowers" from killers, i listened to some of his songs a couple of years ago.
So it can be a happy lie that helps the person to achieve their goal. That's what i am wondering about

So, you want to be a slave to Mormonism?

[Clueless Morgan]

Aslong as it motivates then that's the key to trying.

How do you know it's their mormonism that is motivating them to succeed in their chosen field and not reasons like that they want to be famous (in the case of entertainers), or that they simply want to spend their time doing something they enjoy doing?

Just gotta see how small the minority is and think, wow that's really cool that they got to where they are today.

There are about 5 million mormons in the US (only about 40% of the worldwide population of mormons are American), which is roughly about the same as the number of jews in the US. Are you equally amazed when a jewish person becomes famous? Are you only amazed when a person from a minority group achieves an unlikely or difficult to obtain position? Becoming a famous or well-known singer/actor/comedian/dancer/public figure is not an easy task for anyone regardless of whether they are a part of a minority group.

Motivation has its different way of calling out a person to take it and just go for it

Once again, how do you know it's their religion that is the sole motivating factor?

The scary part is some asked my address to come and talk to me about it, and i said, nooooo , a seperate site i asked on.

I ordered a book from a site, and said they would send it for free. Mormon.org i think, kinda sceptical at first. But they said there was not tax or anything i had to pay, they just said, alright we'll send you a translation. If its one thing i don't need, then that is people at my door So i can understand that

I would love to get my hands on a BoM but there's no way I'm shelling out money for it. Plus, if I order one for free online then the Mo's will have my address and probably start showing up at my front door to harass me and I definitely am not polite to proselytizers who show up at my door.

I've been thinking about going over to the local ward and seeing if I can talk them into giving me a free copy, but I want the copy that comes with the D&C, the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Abraham which I don't know if they give away. Plus, you know, I've got so many more worth while things to do and books to read... This is an endeavor that's been on the back burner for a long time.

[ShaMan]

Minority advantage? No. If a small group of apes were able to produce one really successful ape from within their group, would you attribute that success to being an ape? Maybe this particular group of apes has a better method (i.e. Mormonism). It's more likely that the success of an individual from within a selected group is dependent upon the individual, and less so on group dynamics.

[downbeatplumb]

Because i get the sense that it is the core essence of mormonism, to work hard and reach for a goal.

I like the idea of that, so i ordered "The book of mormons" and they where kind to send it to me in Norwegian. Asked atleast one of the people there, it takes two weeks but i won't come back home before winter vacation either way

Also, have you seen the movie, let me know
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They can't drink alcohol so I'm out.

[Mister Agenda]

Hm. The Mormons use their young as missionaries, that is likely a pretty formative experience. It teaches them to persever in the face of ridicule (which many be its most important lesson from the Mormon point of view) and often gives them grounding in other languages and cultures. Apparently the CIA has a disproportionate number of Mormon agents due to that particular qualification.

[Clueless Morgan]

Hm. The Mormons use their young as missionaries, that is likely a pretty formative experience. It teaches them to persever in the face of ridicule (which many be its most important lesson from the Mormon point of view) and often gives them grounding in other languages and cultures.

And also gives them their persecution complex.

Apparently the CIA has a disproportionate number of Mormon agents due to that particular qualification.

^^-- Interesting fact of the day! I just learned something.

[azheathen]

I do not count the various church related tasks they are compelled to do...These endeavors are rarely industrious and serve to get groups of people to constantly talk about the Book of Mormon and disrupt actual quality time

Exmormon here. I think they fill Mormons days with all that stuff so they don't get a chance to THINK. Cause if you start to THINK....it all falls apart and the Morg looses one of their cash cows.

the use of ward peer pressure to keep good standing.

The intensity of social pressure is unreal. They use families as weapons against each other too. Anything to keep the sheep in line.

It's a cult; don't be fooled.

Quoted for emphasis.

So it can be a happy lie that helps the person to achieve their goal. That's what i am wondering about

I'd be willing to bet that lots of Mormons are not truly happy. They just keep up appearances.

Do you also attribute the high suicide rate in Utah to Mormonism

FUCK YES. That cult is so incredibly dangerous. I can't express in words how much I fucking hate it. I just can't.

And they'd still come back with the same shit the following week, for like 6 months or something! lol

Mormons have a hard time understanding boundaries.

I ordered a book from a site, and said they would send it for free. Mormon.org i think, kinda sceptical at first. But they said there was not tax or anything i had to pay, they just said, alright we'll send you a translation. If its one thing i don't need, then that is people at my door

Yeah...they would keep coming back to harass you.

Just gotta see how small the minority is and think, wow that's really cool that they got to where they are today.

They didn't "get to where they are today" cause of their religion.

Motivation has its different way of calling out a person to take it and just go for it

Once again, how do you know it's their religion that is the sole motivating factor?

There is so much pressure to conform to the party line. Crushing pressure. That's not motivation.

I would love to get my hands on a BoM but there's no way I'm shelling out money for it. Plus, if I order one for free online then the Mo's will have my address and probably start showing up at my front door to harass me and I definitely am not polite to proselytizers who show up at my door.

I've been thinking about going over to the local ward and seeing if I can talk them into giving me a free copy, but I want the copy that comes with the D&C, the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Abraham which I don't know if they give away. Plus, you know, I've got so many more worth while things to do and books to read... This is an endeavor that's been on the back burner for a long time.

If you do go over to the church building, ask for a "triple combination". If not, I could prolly get my hands on one and send it to ya.

Hm. The Mormons use their young as missionaries, that is likely a pretty formative experience. It teaches them to persever in the face of ridicule (which many be its most important lesson from the Mormon point of view) and often gives them grounding in other languages and cultures. Apparently the CIA has a disproportionate number of Mormon agents due to that particular qualification.

Yeah, they force young, naive teenagers who know dick about the religion to save up their own money to spend over 10 hours a day, 6 days a week for 2 years (with minimal family contact!) doing a pro bono high pressure sales job, trying to sell product nobody wants to people. (Since they are now mostly fresh outta high school, they have little experience living on their own and learning how to be independent.) Since they know dick, they can't properly handle questions about "tough issues" from prospective converts. After coming home from a Mormon mission, they are nicely indoctrinated...but wait! It isn't over. Within weeks, or maybe days/hours of returning, they are reminded that "marriage is the next step" and the pressure is on to get married. Then to have kids. etc.

[quote='Clueless Morgan' pid='582327' dateline='1389640331']And also gives them their persecution complex.[quote]Even Mormons who haven't been on missions have a nicely developed persecution complex.

[Clueless Morgan]

Exmormon here. I think they fill Mormons days with all that stuff so they don't get a chance to THINK. Cause if you start to THINK....it all falls apart and the Morg looses one of their cash cows.

Ha, the Morg. You're funny, I like you.

the use of ward peer pressure to keep good standing.

The intensity of social pressure is unreal. They use families as weapons against each other too. Anything to keep the sheep in line.

As an Exmo, while you were still "in" did you realize the kind of pressure you were under? Not realize? Or did you realize but not care?

I'd be willing to bet that lots of Mormons are not truly happy. They just keep up appearances.

This is what I've heard - they're under so much pressure to appear happy and well-off and to basically be the perfect person with the perfect family all so it reflects well on the LDS church.

Do you also attribute the high suicide rate in Utah to Mormonism

FUCK YES. That cult is so incredibly dangerous. I can't express in words how much I fucking hate it. I just can't.

I don't know how much blame can be put directly on the LDS church for the high suicide rate (UT is also the highest, or among the highest, state in terms of people on anti-depressive medications I think), but I'm sure at least some of it can be attributed to the pressures put on people by the church and the need to always be the perfect example of a Mormon.

There is so much pressure to conform to the party line. Crushing pressure. That's not motivation.

I'm in a theological discussion with a Mormon online right now and I've gotten the impression that she's not very party line... but I'm not now, nor have I ever been Mormon and I don't know the details of the doctrine so she could be completely theologically correct in the bat shit crazy things she's saying... :p

If you do go over to the church building, ask for a "triple combination". If not, I could prolly get my hands on one and send it to ya.

Thanks for the tip. Now all I have to do now is care enough to go over there...

And also gives them their persecution complex.

Even Mormons who haven't been on missions have a nicely developed persecution complex.

fair point. :p

[ShaMan]

Why can't religions be like Walmart?

Because they're all already Targets.

[Clueless Morgan]

^^-- Groan.