Is there any benefit to raw milk vs pasteurized milk?

[Creed of Heresy]

We're lactose intolerant because the ability to process dairy is a relatively new thing for our species. Not because milk is poison. Our species can consume it and reap the benefits thanks to this DNA change. It's not something that needs to be avoided, unless one is incapable of processing it, of course.

Vegans in general tend to have dumb reasons for being vegan. But not all of them. Just most. The ones saying milk is poison? They have dumb reasons, I guarantee it.

[Ryantology]

As for almond or soy milk, those are good, solid vegan or lactose intolerant alternatives. I'm not saying whether they're bad or good, but talking about them kinda forces you to talk about veganism altogether which is a whole different subject.

I don't think it necessarily does. I go with almond milk both because of my intolerance and because I simply never really cared for the taste of cow milk. I'm definitely not vegetarian or vegan, though. I like cheese too much to care that it occasionally makes my ass blow up.

[c172]

I somehow handle cheese OK (been on a gouda kick lately, before my cruise to the Dutch Caribbean), but milk is problematic, and egg nog (no alcohol) I can just forget about even thinking about. Almond Milk is what I like on my cereal, and even just as a drink.

[TaraJo]

Vegans in general tend to have dumb reasons for being vegan. But not all of them. Just most. The ones saying milk is poison? They have dumb reasons, I guarantee it.

Yeah, a lot of the time. And sometimes, when their reasons aren't as dumb, they still have a habit of falling for dumb pseudo-science from groups like PETA. I knew a girl who was vegan because she didn't want to support cruelty to animals, and I can respect that (even if I don't agree with her), but then she started preaching all this crap from PETA videos like it's undeniable fact. It wasn't even 5 minutes into one of them when I realized they fucked up big time.

If you want to talk about health benefits, though, that's a damn big advantage vegans have over non-vegans. They tend to have issues with protein, but their cholesterol levels are amazing compared to ours. And, anyway, any vegan with a little sense knows how to get protein, anyway.

I don't think it necessarily does. I go with almond milk both because of my intolerance and because I simply never really cared for the taste of cow milk. I'm definitely not vegetarian or vegan, though. I like cheese too much to care that it occasionally makes my ass blow up.

I've always prefered regular old skim milk. Tried vegan alternatives to milk with soy milk and soy cheese. The soy milk was alright for cooking or for cereal, but tasted like ass if you drank it straight. Vegan cheese was just plain gross to me.

[KichigaiNeko]

Vegans in general tend to have dumb reasons for being vegan. But not all of them. Just most. The ones saying milk is poison? They have dumb reasons, I guarantee it.

Yeah, a lot of the time. And sometimes, when their reasons aren't as dumb, they still have a habit of falling for dumb pseudo-science from groups like PETA. I knew a girl who was vegan because she didn't want to support cruelty to animals, and I can respect that (even if I don't agree with her), but then she started preaching all this crap from PETA videos like it's undeniable fact. It wasn't even 5 minutes into one of them when I realized they fucked up big time.

If you want to talk about health benefits, though, that's a damn big advantage vegans have over non-vegans. They tend to have issues with protein, but their cholesterol levels are amazing compared to ours. And, anyway, any vegan with a little sense knows how to get protein, anyway.

I don't think it necessarily does. I go with almond milk both because of my intolerance and because I simply never really cared for the taste of cow milk. I'm definitely not vegetarian or vegan, though. I like cheese too much to care that it occasionally makes my ass blow up.

I've always prefered regular old skim milk. Tried vegan alternatives to milk with soy milk and soy cheese. The soy milk was alright for cooking or for cereal, but tasted like ass if you drank it straight. Vegan cheese was just plain gross to me.

Some of us are capable of getting our protein and cholesterol from milk (self included) I am to understand it comes down to genetics. Agree that "Soy and Almond milk" tastes like crap...at least for me. Did have the pleasure of full cream "straight from the cow" milk when I was younger and it did taste YUM! which leads me to wonder IF EVERYBODY is capable of synthesising (up to) 80% of dietary necessary cholesterol? Meaning that, while all the studies are all well and good they are rather generic in their findings and people/ bodies are not necessarily going to just all follow suit just because some science paper on nutrition says so.

As for those who delight in espousing the virtues of PETA et al. They are just coming across as religious nutjobs and don't do much for the advancement of humane behaviour towards animals at all. Here in Oz they are largely ignored by the general populace....we have plenty to spare, would you like some? They could become the next Hamster or Cumfart.

[TaraJo]

Well, judging from what I know about nutrition, vegan diets have amazing cholesterol compared to the average American diet. Our diet is pretty darn heavy in meats, which tends to contribute to a high-fat, high-cholesterol diet. Yep, vegans tend to have a lower fat diet than us, too. But, these are all generalizations and I'm sure there are individuals who don't exactly conform to norms.

[KichigaiNeko]

Well, judging from what I know about nutrition, vegan diets have amazing cholesterol compared to the average American diet. Our diet is pretty darn heavy in meats, which tends to contribute to a high-fat, high-cholesterol diet. Yep, vegans tend to have a lower fat diet than us, too. But, these are all generalizations and I'm sure there are individuals who don't exactly conform to norms.

I think that is why I have a hard time with this "vegan diet thingy" in Oz we don't eat nearly as much meat or fats or flour or sugar as Americans are purported to. Yet there are those who look like tele-tubbies and they are on either vegetarian or high veggies diets and their cholesterol levels are just perfect, yet they are rather on the obese side of weight. There is more happening here than just food intake

[TaraJo]

Well, judging from what I know about nutrition, vegan diets have amazing cholesterol compared to the average American diet. Our diet is pretty darn heavy in meats, which tends to contribute to a high-fat, high-cholesterol diet. Yep, vegans tend to have a lower fat diet than us, too. But, these are all generalizations and I'm sure there are individuals who don't exactly conform to norms.

I think that is why I have a hard time with this "vegan diet thingy" in Oz we don't eat nearly as much meat or fats or flour or sugar as Americans are purported to. Yet there are those who look like tele-tubbies and they are on either vegetarian or high veggies diets and their cholesterol levels are just perfect, yet they are rather on the obese side of weight. There is more happening here than just food intake

Yeah, I'm afraid I don't know enough about every regional diet to give facts and figures on all of them; I only really know the American diet that well. However, I have heard that east Asian diets tend to be pretty low in meat and they seem to be healthy enough that China is the most nation on earth. They also tend to be lactose intolerant, so they can do it without heavy use of milk, too.

[KichigaiNeko]

Not too certain about the lacto-intolerance since Australia has a large market in Asia for our milk and milk products. Could be just the tourism industry but I am beginning to wonder.

Would be interesting to actually pin down regional dietary intake. Compare the Inuit diet to say the Asian diet to the American diet?

[Creed of Heresy]

Vegans in general tend to have dumb reasons for being vegan. But not all of them. Just most. The ones saying milk is poison? They have dumb reasons, I guarantee it.

Yeah, a lot of the time. And sometimes, when their reasons aren't as dumb, they still have a habit of falling for dumb pseudo-science from groups like PETA. I knew a girl who was vegan because she didn't want to support cruelty to animals, and I can respect that (even if I don't agree with her), but then she started preaching all this crap from PETA videos like it's undeniable fact. It wasn't even 5 minutes into one of them when I realized they fucked up big time.

If you want to talk about health benefits, though, that's a damn big advantage vegans have over non-vegans. They tend to have issues with protein, but their cholesterol levels are amazing compared to ours. And, anyway, any vegan with a little sense knows how to get protein, anyway.

Fuck, tell me about it. Every time a vegan mentions PETA I tune waaay the fuck out. What they are talking about amounts to a big giant glass of Nope to my desire to listen to them. I wouldn't mind PETA so much if they dropped the militant stances, the circle-jerking arrogance that they are right and all others are wrong, the seriously uncomfortable amount of misogyny they display in things like their commercials, and their kowtowing exclusively to vegans and ostracizing everyone else.

As for health benefits, you are semi-correct. Thing is, high quality protein like whey protein is incompatible with total veganism since it comes from cheese, and while health-wise it's not so big of a deal, it's very, very effective for physical fitness due to its musculature-building properties. And then you have "brain foods," which no vegetables or fruits will provide you, requiring you to take supplements...which are derived from eggs, fish, and/or meats...ergo incompatible with veganism.

Vitamin B12. Nuff said. Vegans may have lower cholesterol, sure, but you guys also almost universally suffer from problems in the brain, including the wildly increased risk of Alzheimer's, mental health problems, and even having a smaller brain. That's just the first thing and already I have NO intention of ever becoming a vegan; I don't want my damn brain shrinking! It's poorly-wired as it is! Then there's creatine, Vitamin D3 deficiency, carnosine (EXCLUSIVELY from animal flesh, cannot be obtained except from animal flesh specifically, and has an ENORMOUS impact on reducing the agin process), and finally DHA. Vegans are going to be deficient in all of these rather important vitamins which are all incapable of being derived from a vegan diet, due to supplements having to come from animals who are killed in the process of making them.

Yeah...I think I prefer the health benefits of my omnivorous diet over the "fighting evolution" herbivorous diet of vegans...I like my brain to be not be falling apart, my muscles to be retaining energy and absorbing adrenaline, having adequate cognitive functioning, and all that stuff.

On top of that, there really ISN'T any proven health benefit to veganism. At all. Cholesterol can be easily managed in a meat-eating diet, especially if meat is only consumed like once a week or so, so that's not exclusive to a vegan diet.

Not to bash on ya or anything Tara, just going by the facts:

http://authoritynutrition.com/5-brain-nu...fish-eggs/

It cites all of its sources, too. Kinda hard to argue with it.