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How to convert an atheist
#31
RE: How to convert an atheist
(March 8, 2014 at 12:19 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:
(March 7, 2014 at 11:28 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: I agree with you however, I was raised in a Christian home, and I'd like to think my parents at that time, weren't malicious in their indoctrination tactics. lol That sounds so wrong. Big Grin

But, honestly. They grew up with it, their parents grew up with it, so on and so forth. The indoctrination of me as a kid, was something that had probably been passed down for generations. As a kid, you don't know any better, you don't know you have a choice in the matter.

I don't regret growing up that way, btw. Nor experiencing a life as a Christian adult. It wasn't until I started unraveling the Bible for myself, and looking at Church history, and realizing that what I believed really was just based on hearsay and at worst, lies...I decided to start making some changes. That process was painful, yes. But, do I blame my parents for their choice to raise me as a Christian? No. They didn't do it out of malice.

Hard to explain. When you've been deep into the faith all of your life, you think that you're coming from a place of love when you try to get others to convert. Perhaps, that is why I cringe when I see it trying to happen on here. For I remember that being a main tenet of the faith--'go make disciples of all nations.' Christians are CALLED TO witness their faith in the hopes of assisting people into converting. Undecided

Have you always been an atheist?

I agree for the most part and I don't think malice was involved in my parent's decision to insulate me from opposing worldviews as a child/teenager either. I think it probably came down to fear--fear for my soul. I was not always an atheist. I was turned on to philosophy as a young teenager around the time I became devoutly Christian. I even hosted a weekly gathering at my house in which my youth pastor taught us why evolution was wrong and the Bible was literal truth. I first began to lose enthusiasm when my parents saw my skepticism begin to develop and banned me from reading any material that wasn't Christian. This trend of growing suspicion regarding the validity of religion continued in the subsequent years as I vacillated back and forth between Christianity, agnosticism, theism, and atheism, until I eventually came to see clearly (only a few years ago) that faith is utterly lacking any rational/evidential basis.

While I can appreciate the fact that I've genuinely experienced both sides of this debate, I somewhat regret that my youth was wasted memorizing Bible verses instead of actual facts about the world or acquiring an earlier love for science. Perhaps I could have used that as a springboard into some career path. At this point, it feels like language--it's not impossible for me to master some entirely new subject but it will never come by so easily and second nature as those scriptures and doctrines I was ingrained with as a child are. I don't hold the sheep more responsible than the shepherds--and my parents are definitely sheep--but they're still partly responsible for not being more curious or skeptical about the claims they accepted on authority alone, and further demanding that I agree, even before I developed thinking skills of my own. This is immoral in my view, well-intended or not.

Also, my mother is far more the sheep than my father. My mother lost her father to a terrible truck accident when she was only 17 and had to pretty much raise her three younger brothers. My father lost his dad unexpectedly to a heart attack just after I was born. They both have implicitly expressed that their faith is deeply tied to an emotional response to death. I assume that like so many they cannot bear the thought that death is the end or that the Universe was not specifically created or caused with each of us in mind.

So, you were raised in the faith, too. Interesting. You know, I rarely meet people who have been atheists all of their lives. (no formal upbringing in any faith) I have a friend who was never raised with any faith beliefs or religion, both of his parents are atheists. I envy him. But, it's funny, he said he always felt 'left out' when he was growing up, as the rest of his friends were part of some type of religious group, except him. lol We always want what we can't have or aren't a part of? Big Grin

That said, I won't tell you what to think...BUT...your parents leaned towards religion as a safety measure. A blanket of comfort so they could cope with the stress they were dealing with, in their own young lives. I think religion sometimes is used by many as a crutch. I think one of the hardest things for me in dealing with abandoning my faith, was realizing that I had to figure life out on my own, without prayer. Without turning to a 'higher power.' I'm fine, better than fine with it all now. I'm actually at an incredible peaceful place, now...but in the beginning? A few years ago? It was very hard for me to face life without the illusion of religion to protect me.

Illusions are powerful. Sometimes more so than reality.
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#32
RE: How to convert an atheist
Always lie. If those you speak to are not retarded, they will get the joke. If they are they sill still get the joke. If they are religious, well they will take you seriously. Be prepared.
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#33
RE: How to convert an atheist
I need something more tangible. Like cash.
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#34
RE: How to convert an atheist
(February 20, 2014 at 4:47 pm)Stimbo Wrote: The all-knowing WikiHow reveals the three necessary stages for converting unbelievers. It's aimed specifically at xtians, but I suppose any flavour theist can play.

Be advised, however, that some of the steps might take you out of your comfort zone, notably the ones about being open and honest and using reliable counter-evidence. But then small is the gate and narrow the road, and only a few find it.

this is more for the so called "atheists" who dont have much knowledge of the bible and are the ones that are just like "if there was a god, my mom would have still lived several more years". "Amature" atheists in a sense. As for someone like me, xian for about 10+ years and until one day i realized i had a brain, and so on... The intellectual atheist who has knowledge of science and has ideas/understandings of this world that we live in, wont give in to such childish claims, he will always have a doubt of what the theist is trying to impose on them.
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it isn't in our nature to think of a God, it is in our nature to seek answers and the concept of God is most influenced in this world.
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#35
RE: How to convert an atheist
I think I'd go a stage further and say that anyone with half an ounce of basic common sense wouldn't be taken in.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#36
RE: How to convert an atheist
(February 20, 2014 at 4:47 pm)Stimbo Wrote: The all-knowing WikiHow reveals the three necessary stages for converting unbelievers. It's aimed specifically at xtians, but I suppose any flavour theist can play.

Be advised, however, that some of the steps might take you out of your comfort zone, notably the ones about being open and honest and using reliable counter-evidence. But then small is the gate and narrow the road, and only a few find it.

That was hilarious.

It was pretty much a tutorial on how to give an atheist the run-around without actually presenting any logic or evidence. That would just infuriate me, no matter how "polite" they were being. I also find this guide rather arrogant. They might as well be saying "How to fix your atheist friend who doesn't know they're miserable without god". Ugh.
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#37
RE: How to convert an atheist
Quote:3 Understand that the Bible presents astonishing logic in Genesis 1, by presenting creation in several phases, clearly, understandable as simple to complex!

4 Verify that the Bible is scientifically correct every time it mentions science, though not a science text.

You must be joking.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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#38
RE: How to convert an atheist
Oh how I wish it was a joke.
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#39
RE: How to convert an atheist
Quote:3 Understand that the Bible presents astonishing logic in Genesis 1, by presenting creation in several phases, clearly, understandable as simple to complex!

4 Verify that the Bible is scientifically correct every time it mentions science, though not a science text.


Unfortunately for the erstwhile Christian do-gooder, every time the Bible opens it mouth about the very foundation of the Judaism, it turns out -- nope, didn't happen that way at all.
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#40
RE: How to convert an atheist
(February 20, 2014 at 7:27 pm)Beccs Wrote: How to convert an atheist to your belief system: the easy version

Step one: Provide conclusive, testable and verifiable evidence that your god exists
Step two: See step one
Tested your mother last night but it wasn't concluded. ;-)
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