Equality.

[philonehalf]

I do care about what it is true. If I was convinced I was deluding myself into thinking God exists, I would not be able to think/believe God exists.
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Then you can relax as you have found peace and do not need to question it, but remember not everybody is in the same place and just about everybody out there is seeking to influence....
catch yi Versace

[LastPoet]

Many of the things are not provable by analysis unless we agree upon some axioms. There are other things which are known by experience or innately and are simply to be reminded about or when spoken about, reveal what we innately know or have experienced.

I do care about what it is true. If I was convinced I was deluding myself into thinking God exists, I would not be able to think/believe God exists.

You do realize what the word 'delusion' means, right? Axioms regard formal logic & math. If you apply axioms at will, like religion does, without regard to logical consequences and taking advantage of informal speech you are bound to be wrong.

Take the notion of a deist god: That is an axiom deists take. Can you construct a logic, a structure based on that, without adding axioms of your own? If not, then what's the point?

Do notice that axioms in math & formal logic, although not completely solid, they are based on reality. Take it like the law of no contradiction in logic. I can tell you the difference between being burned and not being burned, I can then say that if something is true and false is always false. It is an axiom, but its something I can show you to be true.

[Chad32]

Since all gods are imaginary create one that suits your purpose and has all of the qualities that you want your god to have. And then you will be happy. There's no reason to believe in someone else's imaginary god when you can create your own to your specifications.

Well let's take the issue of morality. We don't know for certain if our moral judgements are all what we should have. We maybe wrong and even contradicting some of our first principle and often being hypocritical in moral judgements we have without realizing it.

Humans in general differ with morality even if we agree on much of it.

God means a being that is ultimately great. While humans may differ with respect what it means to be ultimately great, they do tend to agree on much of what it means to be ultimately great.

Ultimate greatness - I may be wrong - in what it means to be that, but I think I do have a sense of what is greatness and have some sort of idea of what the ultimate being is.

Also, just because morality has been misconstructed by bad leaders often, it doesn't do away with there being a good moral sense with humans.

The same is true of spirituality and God. Just because we have misconstructed God often, it doesn't mean there is no sense of him at all or that it's a totally random idea we have when we think of God.

The problem is that Yahweh has some antiquated ideas. We may get things wrong, but we can also change our ideas and apologize for our mistakes. A deity that's been put on the pedestal of perfection isn't allowed to apologize, so followers are forced to reinterpret verses that were very clear in their meaning. Humans grow. a perfect deity can't, and as soon as someone starts having problems with this deity's "perfection", there's a real problem that may be impossible to reconcile.

[Mystic]

LastPoet - examples of axioms. Compassion is good (generally). One should treat their own child with love and care (generally). Knowing the places where justice is applicable and what is too harsh and beyond justice. All these are axioms.

Even our very sense of morality existing is properly basic and innate.

[LastPoet]

LastPoet - examples of axioms. Compassion is good (generally). One should treat their own child with love and care (generally). Knowing the places where justice is applicable and what is too harsh and beyond justice. All these are axioms.

Even our very sense of morality existing is properly basic and innate.

Basic, I can agree, as its basic rules of survival for any species. Innate? No. Our personality is developed since birth and there are examples of those of us that have no moral sense, e.g. psychopaths.

There is plenty of documentation reporting that people that have grown without parental love, have great problems giving love to their offspring.

[xr34p3rx]

I live in multicultural society. It's hard to wish well only for your own religious folks and not religious folks of others. Furthermore it's hard to make a distinction of one being better than the other, as far their humanity goes.

It feels we are rather pretty much equal. It doesn't seem one religious group has more goodness than another.

Furthermore, we ought to wish well for one another. Furthermore it seems we ought to respect one another.

Yet people of some faiths believe, that, no one but their group will enter paradise.

I don't know how one can believe they ought to respect one another or wish well for one another, when God is going to disregard those people.

Why do they believe God loves them but doesn't love people of other faiths?

Why do they believe God respects them but not people of other faiths?

Why are their sins forgiven, but others' sins punishable?

makes me wonder why christians then say that god has healed me because he wants to reveal himself that way to me or whatever, where as what Wolf and Chad have said, why would the so called god do that for you? you dont even believe in him! its just a big mix up with different interpretations of the scriptures

[Mystic]

LastPoet - examples of axioms. Compassion is good (generally). One should treat their own child with love and care (generally). Knowing the places where justice is applicable and what is too harsh and beyond justice. All these are axioms.

Even our very sense of morality existing is properly basic and innate.

Basic, I can agree, as its basic rules of survival for any species. Innate? No. Our personality is developed since birth and there are examples of those of us that have no moral sense, e.g. psychopaths.

There is plenty of documentation reporting that people that have grown without parental love, have great problems giving love to their offspring.

Without it being innate, our experience of it would not be possible in the first place. When we experience love in real life, we appreciate but also recognize it is good. This recognition of it's goodness is innate.