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How to Debate a Muslim?
#11
RE: How to Debate a Muslim?
If they're reasonable then I would take Senshi up on his advice. Otherwise you should be sure to keep your yap shut or be forced to see that "Islam is a religion of peace" in a physical nature. Dodgy
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(September 17, 2015 at 4:04 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I make change in the coin tendered. If you want courteous treatment, behave courteously. Preaching at me and calling me immoral is not courteous behavior.
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#12
RE: How to Debate a Muslim?
(March 30, 2014 at 11:36 pm)Senshi Wrote:
(March 30, 2014 at 11:24 pm)Michael Schubert Wrote: It was memorized, compiled and written? Your sentence is in passive voice. If Mohammed didn't write it, then who did?

Yes it's that absurd, any Muslim will tell you that the Quran was memorized from sermons and was not put together in a book till years after Muhammad's well deserved death. I do not know who wrote it.

Undecided I did not know this, but I'm also not at all surprised.
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#13
RE: How to Debate a Muslim?
(March 30, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: As you may know I am from the UK, which has a large influx of Muslims, and I need more information about It so I can debate them.

Don't use single verses of the quran this is a waste of time.

Even if the verse is politically incorrect it doesn't matter because you don't know god doesn't want men to have more power and to beat their wives if they fear rebellion from them and so on.
Also they will just say it means something different in arabic no matter how many translations you show them.

All I usually do is remind them that they really REALLY believe gods best way to communicate to the world in every time and place by telling an angel to tell a man who can't write to recite some words to his friends who could write 1400 years ago.
And as I mentioned before it's difficult to find two muslims who have the same idea of what the qurans translations mean. Same goes for the hadith.

Just let me stress this even more, they believe the almighty creator of the universe, the guy who can just say "be" to some dust and it will turn into a man, that guy, he wanted to communicate with the world now and he does it in one language, and from a 1400 year old book. And even the people who speak this language don't get the same message from the book.

I can guarantee when you tell them this they will tell you about 100 000 of the supposed scientific miracles of the quran that makes their cult different from other cults and you will look over them all and it will be boring and take you a hell of a long time and you will find that all of them are senseless and some of them are just insane.


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#14
RE: How to Debate a Muslim?
Debating a muslim is surrendering the ideal that only worthwhile ideas deserve honest debate. All Islam deserves as a response is laughter.
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#15
RE: How to Debate a Muslim?
Pretty much true of all of them.
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#16
RE: How to Debate a Muslim?
Don't bother. It's like debating with a fundamental Christian.
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#17
RE: How to Debate a Muslim?
(March 30, 2014 at 6:05 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: More information about Islam? If so, we call it Google, friend. Wink

If it's just debating advice in general, I'd say:

-Be at least somewhat cordial. A bit o' snark isn't usually frowned upon, as long as you don't become an asshole. On the same side, don't take shit from belligerent people.

-Learn to spot bad arguments, especially circular arguments, arguments from ignorance and non sequiturs, as they're quite common. Basically, be able to spot improperly formed arguments.

-Stick to the topic at and and make sure your opponent(s) do as well. There's no problem with bracketing off certain topics if they are beyond the scope of what's being discussed.

Hope that helps. Smile

I would add to this to remember not to take the bait when a red herring is put out there. Learn to recognize them, call them out for what they are, point out that it's not relevant and then stay on topic.
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#18
RE: How to Debate a Muslim?
(March 30, 2014 at 11:24 pm)Michael Schubert Wrote:
(March 30, 2014 at 11:20 pm)Senshi Wrote: Muhammad wrote NOTHING the Quran was "memorized, compiled and written years after Muhammad's death. Muslims claim Muhammad could not have possibly written the Quran because he was uneducated and did not know how to read and write.

It was memorized, compiled and written? Your sentence is in passive voice. If Mohammed didn't write it, then who did?

He talked, he didn't write. It was written down years after his death from the memories of many people.
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#19
RE: How to Debate a Muslim?
1. Be more insane. *
2. Shout louder *
3. Have a bigger bomb vest. *

*Note, this will only work with the loud Islamists and fanatics. Not the average Muslim.
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#20
RE: How to Debate a Muslim?
(March 30, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: As you may know I am from the UK, which has a large influx of Muslims, and I need more information about It so I can debate them.

Same as you'd debate any other religious person. Assert there are cosmology models which do not have a cause(this is in line with modern cosmology). There are models which show the universe can come into existence uncaused or never have came into existence in the first place, all by laws of nature. If they don't think it's possible for something to come into existence uncaused because that doesn't happen in our experience, point out that causality within the universe should be (and would be) very different to causality when you are talking about the universe as a whole. Asserting that causality in the universe applies to the entire universe is a fallacy of composition. If they ask where the laws of nature came from, point out they are moving the goal posts, or asking a question we don't know/or is incoherent. Run the natural problem of evil (I think this is a good defeater for theism, they can't use the free will defense), if they do have a response say naturalism is a better explanation for this much suffering (in a random universe, people are expected to get hurt every so often). Assert morals are innate within humans, from the evolutionary process, and just because its an evolutionary adaptation doesn't remove the meaning of them. Getting along is the only way for everyone to survive/live happy and productive lives, everyone knows this. Point out the horrible verses in their holy book, which allow immoral behavior. Ask them "is something good because god commands it? Or does god command it because it is good?", if they say the former ask them "so if god commanded you to molest every child you see, it would become a moral obligation?" if they answer yes then it exposes their fallacy. If they say the later, it shows they don't really believe divine command theory, they use their own morals to evaluate actions by there consequences.

Now, here are some common bullshit which almost always come up when debating religious people, the average religious person will run multiple incoherent arguments because most of them don't care if they commit logical fallacies: "You just hate god!" Reply: "I can't hate something I don't think exists". "What's the point in living if there is no god to give the universe purpose? The universe will die and nothing will matter!" Answer: "Your emotional response has nothing to do with the truth of your beliefs. But yes, things matter, and they matter now. If you found out god didn't exist, you'd still live your life just as much purpose as you did yesterday." And the list goes on. Whenever someone tries to inject emotion or personal attacks like "you hate god" into it, point out their bullshit, tell them why it isn't valid, and try not to be too much of an asshole. One time I got into a debate with an friend, he was giving out so many non sequitur arguments, I said that his god is a genocidal monster, he got a bit upset and blocked me. As someone else said in this thread abit of snarkyness here and there never hurt anyone. If necessary, the only snarkyness should be when using humor to point out the absurdity in their position, humor is very effective most of the time.
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