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RE: How did god create the universe?
April 19, 2014 at 9:35 am
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(April 18, 2014 at 7:56 am)professor Wrote: God made the world with WORDS.
This is one reason why we will give account for every useless word, and by our words we will be justified or by our words we will be condemned.
You just proved the fallacy that I pointed out. How in the world would god us 'words' to speak it into existence, that makes zero sense. So you're resorting to magic phrases to pop the universe into existence like "ABRACADABRA"? Sorry, I'd rather believe the universe popped into existence out of nothing for no reason xD.
(April 18, 2014 at 9:16 pm)professor Wrote: In the beginning was the WORD and the word was God.
By Him were all things made.
And the Word became flesh.
So, God made the world with words of power.
Makes more sense to me than, "all this came from nothing that exploded".
We OBSERVE that life comes from life.
Hint- God is the living God.
But when a god uses magic to speak the universe into existence, you're fine with that? If the universe is a magic trick, it's simpler for it to be a self sustained magic trick than to propose an even more complex magician to cause it to happen. Anyway, most atheists do not believe the universe came from nothing, we normally claim physical reality always existed, or that it came from some sort of quantum state. Saying "oh, but it makes more sense than it coming from nothing" is a straw man, because it's your own theological beliefs that the universe came from nothing.
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RE: How did god create the universe?
April 19, 2014 at 11:19 am
(April 18, 2014 at 9:16 pm)professor Wrote: Hint- God is the living God.
The problem isn't really picking the god you have in mind from all the ones I've ever experienced. The problem is, having never experienced any gods at all, I don't know WTF you're talking about.
Seems like a stretch to me to describe god as living. Can you point to any discernible biological processes which would justify that designation?
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RE: How did god create the universe?
April 19, 2014 at 12:39 pm
I think it is a mistake to say creation only happened once in the distant past. My understanding of creation is one of ongoing activity that supports and renews every contingent being.
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RE: How did god create the universe?
April 19, 2014 at 12:57 pm
(April 18, 2014 at 7:56 am)professor Wrote: God made the world with WORDS.
This is one reason why we will give account for every useless word, and by our words we will be justified or by our words we will be condemned.
Evidence, as if any were needed, of the accuracy of Matson's Hypothesis of Why Fundies Are Shitheads.
Quote:Bible-believers are full of clever (and some not so clever) rationalizations. The crucial question, however, is not whether "answers" can be generated in response to Bible difficulties but whether credible answers can be produced. What is the best explanation? Bible-believers seem to think that any loophole, however improbable, that gets the Bible off the hook has solved the problem. Thus, it is not surprising that different, conflicting answers are often presented side by side. It never seems to occur to these people that such logic will also support the story of Goldilocks and the three bears! Or the Koran. Or, anything else. Once we abandon the probable in favor of the improbable--or even the less probable--we have abandoned objectivity.
http://etb-biblical-errancy.blogspot.com...ailed.html
Hence, as in the example given by the prof, the dumbest shit slides out of their mouths and they think it is good enough.
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RE: How did god create the universe?
April 20, 2014 at 12:59 am
(This post was last modified: April 20, 2014 at 1:26 am by Wyrd of Gawd.)
(April 18, 2014 at 7:56 am)professor Wrote: God made the world with WORDS.
This is one reason why we will give account for every useless word, and by our words we will be justified or by our words we will be condemned.
That's the magic spell theory.
(April 19, 2014 at 9:35 am)Freedom of thought Wrote:
But when a god uses magic to speak the universe into existence, you're fine with that? If the universe is a magic trick, it's simpler for it to be a self sustained magic trick than to propose an even more complex magician to cause it to happen. Anyway, most atheists do not believe the universe came from nothing, we normally claim physical reality always existed, or that it came from some sort of quantum state. Saying "oh, but it makes more sense than it coming from nothing" is a straw man, because it's your own theological beliefs that the universe came from nothing.
The reality is that the universe as we know it did come from nothing. But the elements that we all know and love were created over time and they did not exist when the creation process began. Our main stumbling block is that we simply don't fully understand the properties of Nothing. It's almost impossible to even conceive what it is (or what it isn't).
People think that things have always existed because we claim that what we see in space is about 14 billion years old. But we know that stuff is constantly being created, even within our own merging galaxy. But what's being created now is much more complex than the original source material. We have no idea how long it took Nothing to produce strings, which produced the next building block and so on. The universe might be infinite. We will never know but it seems reasonable that it is because how can Nothing ever have a limit? 
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