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Jesus the Homosexual: Evidence From the Gospels
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Jesus the Homosexual: Evidence From the Gospels
This is an article by Harry McCall which appeared in the Debunking Christianity blog. Arguing that Jesus in the Gospels was what we in the early 21st century would be consider being Gay.

This evidence from the Canonical Gospels is far more disturbing to some Christians, than some non-canonical gospel portraying that Jesus had a wife.

Jesus the Homosexual: Evidence From the Gospels

By Harry H. McCall at 6/04/2012

Jesus is created / redacted in each of the Gospel author’s mind to give credence to their own story of Jesus which – for them – would have trouble standing on its own merits. Thus in Matthew’s Gospel, Jesus is the New Moses and his life is set in a Roman Palestine context that mimics Israel in Egypt complete with the killing of the toddlers to Jesus even being taken down to Egypt by his family so – like Moses and the Israelites – Jesus comes out of Egypt.

In Mark the theme is the Messianic Secret where the author of this Gospel portrays Jesus was working signs and wonders, but then demanding neither his disciples nor anyone to tell what they have seen Jesus do (So, if no historian recorded any miracle Jesus did, it’s because Jesus himself made them swear not to tell anyone!).

In Luke, Jesus follows the template of Elijah and emulates many of the events of this famous prophet of the Hebrew Bible such as the well-known parallel being 2 Kings 1; 9-12 to Luke 9: 51 -56 (Fire from Heaven) and Luke 4: 16; 7: 11 – 17 to 2 Kings 1: 17 – 24 (The Healing the Widow’s Son).

The author of the Fourth Gospel (or generally known as John) is not only well versed in the allegorical meanings (much like the Jew Philo of Alexandria, Egypt), but more importantly this author uses Greek philosophy to legitimize Jesus’ life as divine. There are no earthly virgin birth accounts here (as in Matt. and Luke), but Jesus is the eternal divine logos or Word which - as with Greek philosophical Neo-Platonism - always has been.

Jesus in the Gospel of John is now far removed from the highly Jewish themes in the Synoptic Gospels as the Jesus of the Fourth Gospels never speaks in parables, but is well versed in Hellenistic Greek and Classical philosophy. The author of this Gospel has reinvented Jesus (apart from the Torah Jew of the Synoptic Tradition) to function much like a educated Classical Greek teacher complete with a school of students called μαθητὰς (disciples).

However, the Greek social culture redacted in this Gospel does not stop with just Greek philosophical terms, but as in Greek society, the author of the Fourth Gospel has the older Jesus take a younger lover or what was both well-known and common in Greek culture as Pederasty (the courting by an older male of a younger male entering puberty until his late teens). While Jesus enjoys a close relationship with his handpicked twelve apostles, the Fourth Gospel lets the reader know that Jesus has indeed chosen a young lover τὸν μαθητὴν ὃν ἠγάπα ὁ Ἰησοῦς (the disciple Jesus loved (ἠγάπα = Imperfect, indicative, Active, 3 singular) who is said to lie (ἀνέπεσεν) on top of Jesus’ body (κόλπῳ) at the Passover Supper.

[A note on English translations: To tone down the erotic nature, English translations tend to paraphrase John 13: 23: “the disciple, whom Jesus loved, was reclining next to him.” (New International Version); “The disciple Jesus loved was sitting next to Jesus at the table.” (New Living Translation); “One of his disciples, whom Jesus loved, was reclining at table close to Jesus,” (English Standard Version) and even the King James Version, “Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.” But either these versions paraphrase the Greek with a totally new inoffensive non-erotic meaning or – like the King James Version - gives the impression this disciple was simply resting his head on the chest of a reclining Jesus.]

[Note on ἠγάπα (Agape Love): Though Christians claim that agape is used only as spiritual or divine love, this claim cannot be supported in the Bible or more in precisely the LXX (Septuagint). In the story of The Rape of Tamar by her brother Amnon in 2 Samuel 13, we are told in 13: 1 that “… καὶ ἠγάπησεν αὐτὴν αμνων υἱὸς δαυιδ.” "and Amnon the son of David loved (agaped) her". Here agape as used for the love of lust which would finally lead to rape. Thus, likewise, Jesus’ love for this one special disciple could just as well be one of sexual lust.]

[Note on κόλπῳ (torso): The English translation of just where the beloved disciple was lying on Jesus’ body is highly paraphrased from this disciple simply reclining next to Jesus to lying on Jesus’ breast. However, the Classical Greek Dictionary of Liddell, Scott, and Jones (Oxford University Press, 1968) gives the first definition of κόλπος either as bosom or lap. The second definition places κόλπος in the genital area between the legs as in the vaginal area in women. In the LXX, it can be used for a position of sex intercourse as with Abraham and Hagar: "...ἐγὼ δέδωκα τὴν παιδίσκην μου εἰς τὸν κόλπον σου..." (I have given my maid into your bosom) (Genesis 16: 5).]

To emphasize the homo-social background of this event, two of the Synoptics even have Jesus giving orders to Peter and John to seek out a gay man: “And He said to them, “When you have entered the city, a man will meet you carrying a pitcher of water; follow him into the house that he enters. “And you shall say to the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher says to you, “Where is the guest room in which I may eat the Passover with My disciples?”’ “And he will show you a large, furnished upper room; prepare it there.” (Luke 22: 10 -12 = Mark 14: 13 – 15) In first century Palestine, only women carried water from a well (Genesis 24; 11; John 4: 7) and any man doing a woman’s job would be consider effeminate; thus making it easy for his disciples (John likely being gay himself) to locate him. The fact that Luke adds phase “τῷ οἰκοδεσπότῃ τῆς οἰκίας” (to the master of the house) gives the reader a second homo-social indication that this house is occupied by two men or gay lovers that Jesus likely had met on an earlier occasion in Jerusalem. Thus for the conservative Christian, the Passover Meal (Last Supper) was celebrated in a gay couple’s home where Jesus could be at sexual ease with his disciples and to express openly his affections for the special disciple he loved (ἠγάπα).

Of all the four Gospels, the Fourth Gospels is the only one to use the phrase “ὃν ἠγάπα” or “whom he loved” four times: John 13: 23, 19: 26, 21: 7 and 21:20 with only 20: 2 (now redacted) for the tomb of the dead Jesus to read “ὃν ἐφίλει or the Aorist of the Greek root for fellowship or brotherly love: φιλία.

Interestingly, the Gospel of John even goes as far to tell its Greek readers that Jesus’ own disciples were shocked to find Jesus alone talking to a woman: “…καὶ ἐθαύμασαν (astounded) ὅτι μετὰ γυναικὸς ἐλάλει•…” “…and they were astounded / shocked that He had been speaking with a woman…” (John 4: 27) (Notice the context that the disciples had no way of knowing if this woman was a Samaritan or not. They simply saw Jesus talking to a woman and were shocked!)

Finally, the following two verses in Mark add nothing to the Passion Narrative and are oddly out of place: “A young man was following Him, wearing nothing but a linen sheet over his naked body; and they seized him. But he pulled free of the linen sheet and escaped naked." (Mark 14: 51 – 52) However, if we consider the logical conclusion that of the twelve disciples Jesus took with him to the Garden and then the three disciples Jesus carried even further with him into the Garden (Peter, James and John), Jesus’ final hours were likely spent in both prayer and in the arms his lover be it John or a thirteenth person (unnamed youth) wearing a loose fitting garment over his naked body covered with a "linen sheet" providing easy sexual access and comfort for a deeply troubled Jesus.
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Popcorn
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I already knew Jesus was gay, or a woman, or a lesbian. I mean, watch Jesus Christ: Superstar 2000. Definitely not a straight man. Nope.
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(April 21, 2014 at 8:14 am)Justtristo Wrote:
Quote:Jesus the Homosexual: Evidence From the Gospels

By Harry H. McCall at 6/04/2012

Jesus is created / redacted in each of the Gospel author’s mind to give credence to their own story of Jesus which – for them – would have trouble standing on its own merits.

He then goes on to say how each of the Gospel author's created Jesus. Even if John's version is supposed to mean that Jesus was gay it doesn't -

1: Prove that Jesus existed or

2: Prove that a real Jesus (if there was one) was gay.

The Bible can be used to prove anything. Here's one of my own favorites.

JESUS ASCENDED TO A SPACE SHIP & WILL RETURN IN A SPACE SHIP

Quote:And when he had spoken these things, he ascended while they were looking at him; a cloud received him and he has hidden from their sight.” Acts 1:9

During the recent (April 29 – May 3, 2013) Citizen Hearing for Disclosure of the Extraterrestrial presence with us, an Air Traffic Controller Witness before 6 former U.S. Congresspersons stated under oath that some of the UFOs looked like clouds. He went on to say that they seemed to use a cloud as camouflage.

Acts 1:10-11: “And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold two men stood by them in white robes; and they said to them, Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus who has ascended from you into heaven shall so come in like manner as you have seen him ascend into heaven.”

Jesus will return in the same manner as the disciples saw him ascend into heaven—in a space ship.
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If this is an exercise in showing that you can interpret an old book to mean anything you want it to mean then fair play. If this is serious then they are just using the same techniques as the Christians do when they interpret the bible to mean what they want it to mean.

Even if you could find really good evidence that Jesus was gay, what would it achieve? You could build a time machine, send the Christians back in time to watch Jesus getting frisky with a man, and they'd still bullshit an excuse.
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http://youtu.be/E5WtdeL1s7c
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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(April 21, 2014 at 9:57 am)FreeTony Wrote: If this is an exercise in showing that you can interpret an old book to mean anything you want it to mean then fair play.

I've been looking for information about Harry H. McCall but could only find what's on his Blogger Profile

Going by what he says he could have written this article to show that the Bible can be interpreted to mean anything you want it to.

Quote:For example, looking critically at the Bible can be upsetting since many people who are attracted to Christianity have learned reverence for the Bible – that it is scared. When you take it apart in a critical way it can shake-up that sense of “here is the final word of authority”. That can be very difficult to deal with. The task of the Historical Critical Method is to help people discover what is true by taking criticism into account and often learning to make sense of conflicting truths such as viewing the Biblical Canon as an anthology composed by scribes with many different ideas about God, history and truth. Thus, contrary to creedal apologetic Christianity, a strong intellect is one that has tested itself. In this sense, critical thinking is validated when one's mental world is expanded; when one is not told what to think, but how to think critically about the Bible and reality!

(April 21, 2014 at 9:57 am)FreeTony Wrote: If this is serious then they are just using the same techniques as the Christians do when they interpret the bible to mean what they want it to mean.

The problem with the article's interpretation is that there's no way of knowing if the author of John's Gospel actually meant this when he wrote it.

(April 21, 2014 at 9:57 am)FreeTony Wrote: Even if you could find really good evidence that Jesus was gay, what would it achieve? You could build a time machine, send the Christians back in time to watch Jesus getting frisky with a man, and they'd still bullshit an excuse.

The idea of Jesus being gay is a hot topic at the moment.

Jesus's Sex Life on the 'Down Low'

Quote:While many biblical scholars have ignored non-canonical texts like the gnostic and apocryphal gospels that suggested that Jesus had a wife, they are no longer ignoring the 2012 discovery of an ancient, faded fragment of papyrus that makes just such a suggestion. According to this month's New York Times article "Papyrus Referring to Jesus' Wife Is More Likely Ancient Than Fake, Scientists Say," the document is known as the "Gospel of Jesus's Wife." However, this discovery disrupts modern Christianity's depiction of Jesus in many ways.

This latest discovery also reopens the "down-low" debate about Jesus' sexuality that not only threatens the pillars of Christianity but profoundly challenges the oppression that women as well as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer (LGBTQ) people face today in both church and society. And that debate about Jesus' sexuality -- about whether he was married or possibly even gay, not that the two are mutually exclusive if Jesus was on the "down low" -- gets to the heart of several culture-war issues that we are wrestling with today, namely the institution of marriage, women in the church, and gay clergy.
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Quote:Jesus’ final hours were likely spent in both prayer and in the arms his lover be it John or a thirteenth person (unnamed youth) wearing a loose fitting garment over his naked body covered with a "linen sheet" providing easy sexual access and comfort for a deeply troubled Jesus.

Ya gotta love the irony of that portrayal. The fundies would lose their fucking minds.
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There's a reason they called it the Reserection. Granted, my dog Christ has Erectile Dysfunction so it took him a few days, but he got there dammit, he got there. Don't ask why the angel was there.
"The reason things will never get better is because people keep electing these rich cocksuckers who don't give a shit about you."
-George Carlin
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First - since we do not know how much of the creation of the christ was accomplished by human writers of the bible - (All or some) - there really is no way to determine this.

However - it is unlikely that the christ would have survived showing true homosexual tendencies - AS A TEACHER of the religion.

All Jewish religion teachers - were required to be married before they could teach. I have always thought that the Wedding a Canaan was the wedding of the christ - being described.

It was - and is custom - for the womans family to supply the food at the wedding feast - and the Man to supply the drinks. At Canaan, why go to Mary to tell her they were running out of wine - UNLESS the person getting married was her son.
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