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I'll show you a real Christian
#61
I'll show you a real Christian
(May 24, 2014 at 8:15 am)Starvald Demelain Wrote:
(May 24, 2014 at 7:17 am)BlackMason Wrote: So use your own interpretation on what he said? Again it is irresponsible to leave a message to subjective interpretation in this kind of forum. Isn't that one of the arguments that we atheists use on christians? Why would god leave an important document to subjective interpretation?

Who do I listen to? For me it's more like what. I listen to reason and logic.

I think someone needs a nice tall glass of chill the fuck out.

http://youtu.be/uvqJ1mTkEuY

(May 24, 2014 at 7:42 pm)BlackMason Wrote:
(May 24, 2014 at 4:37 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: For your attention blackmason: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
The OP did not commit a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy.

I guess I'll have to explain using my interpretation. The title "I'll show you a real christian", which is subsequently accompanied by a picture of an empty room, is making a claim that there are no real christians. This could be for whatever reason but the position I took was because none apply the bible 100% all the time. So effectively the OP is saying no true christians exist because they don't act the way the bible says they should act. This is in line with that wiki link that you supplied. Are you following my train of thought? So just as the quote you gave states that instead of denying a counter example, it is excluded entirely. The empty room is tantemount to excluding said counter example except in this case it is all christians.

If that was a bit difficult to grasp I'll repeat informally. The no true scotsman fallacy is really saying that it is illogical to say a member of a group can't act in a given way. For example a christian can't doubt christ. Why not? There is nothing preventing the christian from doubting. It is well with in the christians abilities or actions to doubt. I think you're not getting the actual principle as your application is too rigid.

(May 24, 2014 at 4:37 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Also, i'm really wondering if you are a poe. Religious views: fuck him? And you use phrases like 'the truth of my words' and you seem to get very upset at the idea of the OP 'trolling' Christianity.

Trust me I'm not a troll. Check my rep. I'm endorsed by Robbypants who knows me from another site. What's a poe by the way?

Anyway I guess an apology is in order. I made the mistake of assuming that this forum worked the same way as the other one I'm a member of. Guess not. So to be clear trolling is welcome here?

Trolling Christians on an atheist forum, where by extension the only reason a Christian would even be on the forum is to troll atheists?

Are you ferserious?
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#62
RE: I'll show you a real Christian
(May 26, 2014 at 5:16 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Are you ferserious?

Are you claiming that all christians do on atheist sites is troll atheists? None are reasonable? Need I remind you of Kingschosen and Charis of The Thinking Atheist?

What are we here for? Trolling or progressive discussion? Oh wait, I'm new here. How dare I dictate how these forums be run.
8000 years before Jesus, the Egyptian god Horus said, "I am the way, the truth, the life."
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#63
RE: I'll show you a real Christian
(May 26, 2014 at 5:28 am)BlackMason Wrote: Oh wait, I'm new here. How dare I dictate how these forums be run.

Now you're getting it.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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#64
I'll show you a real Christian
(May 26, 2014 at 5:28 am)BlackMason Wrote:
(May 26, 2014 at 5:16 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Are you ferserious?

Are you claiming that all christians do on atheist sites is troll atheists?

From my personal and short experience of this site, yes.

(May 26, 2014 at 5:28 am)BlackMason Wrote: None are reasonable? Need I remind you of Kingschosen and Charis of The Thinking Atheist?

KC doesn't discuss his beliefs here. I'm sure at one time he did, but being reasonable is not in the top 10 reasons of why a Christian would join an atheist forum.

(May 26, 2014 at 5:28 am)BlackMason Wrote: What are we here for? Trolling or progressive discussion? Oh wait, I'm new here. How dare I dictate how these forums be run.

Dunno. You're barely newer than I am.

Yet the model I have observed from the theists on this forum is:

1. Assert a bunch of bullshit
2. Provide for fuck all to back it up
3. Quote an intellectually dishonest apologist or cite scripture when pressed
4. Repeat the same argument again and claim it reigns undisputed across multiple threads
5. Rinse, repeat
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#65
RE: I'll show you a real Christian
The only theist who I could ever have a nice discussion with, without Rampants list above being involved was Jacob (Smooth) and he converted to atheism shortly after arriving here.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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#66
RE: I'll show you a real Christian
(May 26, 2014 at 5:41 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:
(May 26, 2014 at 5:28 am)BlackMason Wrote: Are you claiming that all christians do on atheist sites is troll atheists?

From my personal and short experience of this site, yes.

Ok well with that narrow scope of analysis, we can leave it right there.
8000 years before Jesus, the Egyptian god Horus said, "I am the way, the truth, the life."
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#67
I'll show you a real Christian
(May 26, 2014 at 6:46 am)BlackMason Wrote:
(May 26, 2014 at 5:41 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: From my personal and short experience of this site, yes.

Ok well with that narrow scope of analysis, we can leave it right there.

Well let's see: there's this site, TTA, Reddit Atheism, and a few other Atheist forums that are inactive.

Out of all posters who actively participate regularly in discussions, the majority of Christians seem interested in either reaffirming their beliefs by deliberately trolling, ignoring contrary information, and repeating the same set of arguments for God no matter how many times they're debunked.

And those are just the ones who actually stay. Far more visit the site to dump a fly-by argument and never return.

So rather than a narrow scope of analysis -- which it is, because not many forums like this exist and are active -- this seems more like observation.
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