For the Thinking Man.

[The Valkyrie]

Got anything else for the thinking woman?

Can you trace human consciousness in terms of human evolutionary biology. I don't think you can,just thought i'd ask

Can you without resorting to strawmen, other fallacies or "god did done it!"

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Got anything else for the thinking woman?

Support the leader!

Define and identify this "leader".

[Bittersmart]

Boy do I get tired of people telling me what I believe.

You're darn tootin'.

[The Valkyrie]

Boy do I get tired of people telling me what I believe.

You're darn tootin'.

As women aren't we supposed to believe in puppies and unicorns and cute little kittens and rainbows?

[Artur Axmann]

Can you trace human consciousness in terms of human evolutionary biology. I don't think you can,just thought i'd ask

Can you do so in terms of anything demonstrable?

You can...Try painting..

Trying painting on the canvas of your mind..

What are your perceptions of the world around you.

What ideas ,what beliefs , what feelings are you experiencing?
none of this would be possible if you did not possess the capacity for consciousness..

[The Valkyrie]

Can you do so in terms of anything demonstrable?

You can...Try painting..

Trying painting on the canvas of your mind..

What are your perceptions of the world around you.

What ideas ,what beliefs , what feelings are you experiencing?
none of this would be possible if you did not possess the capacity for consciousness..

Imagination and consciousness do not demonstrate a deity.

In fact the ability to think freely and act individually demonstrably shows that the Abrahamic deity, who just LOVED mind control and threats to conrol the masses, is unlikely to exist.

Claims we have free will are negated by a simple reading of the bible.

[Heywood]

Atheism is a close ended belief system where everything is explained in terms of the natural order of things.
And so ,no god or gods , only nature .
But in nature all things are linked together and everything has precedence which can be traced back to the big bang.
But the problem for the godless is how to explain rational thinking.
Since thoughts are events, all of our thoughts should be fully explainable in mechanical terms, and not to a person’s free-will .. But any thought which is not guided by what is “true” but only by mechanical , physical needs ,is not rational.
And if one comes to his beliefs and thoughts not because he chose it, but because it was all that the total universe would allow, then the" nature is everything"is, basically , self-defeating.
No belief is rational if it can be fully explained in terms of non-rational causes.
If all there is ,is materialism , then all beliefs can be fully explained in terms of non-rational causes.
so if materialism is true, then no belief is rational. If any belief is based that no belief is rationally derived , then it should be rejected ... Therefore materialism ,atheism and nothing but nature should also be rejected ..
but there's more : any notion of good and evil, right and wrong, love and hate, etc., must also be treated as mythical. nothing more than helpful ideas , but ideas with no existence ( ontology) of their own. Life would then be essentially meaningless since its ultimate goal is mere survival, an unattainable goal in a world where death is guaranteed and final.

Rational thinking is going to exist with or without God. The condition of God's non existence does not imply that rational thinking does not exist. The two are separate and distinct things which do not depend on each other or one another.

Rational thinking works because it allows the thinker to eminently navigate reality. Rational thinking is going to be selected for over irrational thinking because irrational thinking does not allow the thinker to navigate reality for very long. The atheist trusts they evolved to think rationally, just as you trust God gave you the ability to think rationally.

[Bittersmart]

You're darn tootin'.

As women aren't we supposed to believe in puppies and unicorns and cute little kittens and rainbows?

Do they come with any weapons?

[Artur Axmann]

Atheism is a close ended belief system where everything is explained in terms of the natural order of things.
And so ,no god or gods , only nature .
But in nature all things are linked together and everything has precedence which can be traced back to the big bang.
But the problem for the godless is how to explain rational thinking.
Since thoughts are events, all of our thoughts should be fully explainable in mechanical terms, and not to a person’s free-will .. But any thought which is not guided by what is “true” but only by mechanical , physical needs ,is not rational.
And if one comes to his beliefs and thoughts not because he chose it, but because it was all that the total universe would allow, then the" nature is everything"is, basically , self-defeating.
No belief is rational if it can be fully explained in terms of non-rational causes.
If all there is ,is materialism , then all beliefs can be fully explained in terms of non-rational causes.
so if materialism is true, then no belief is rational. If any belief is based that no belief is rationally derived , then it should be rejected ... Therefore materialism ,atheism and nothing but nature should also be rejected ..
but there's more : any notion of good and evil, right and wrong, love and hate, etc., must also be treated as mythical. nothing more than helpful ideas , but ideas with no existence ( ontology) of their own. Life would then be essentially meaningless since its ultimate goal is mere survival, an unattainable goal in a world where death is guaranteed and final.

Rational thinking is going to exist with or without God. The condition of God's non existence does not imply that rational thinking does not exist. The two are separate and distinct things which do not depend on each other or one another.

Rational thinking works because it allows the thinker to eminently navigate reality. Rational thinking is going to be selected for over irrational thinking because irrational thinking does not allow the thinker to navigate reality for very long. The atheist trust they evolved to think rationally, just as you trust God gave you the ability to think rationally.

Yes, rational thinking can exist without believing in god ,but up to a point.

Rational thinking cannot be totally explained in materialistic terms because it's evolution cannot be explained soley on a purely natural basis.
Perception by evolutionary principles ,must evolve from sentient being or beings.
Human consciousness must serve the evolutionary process in ways other than the mechanical process of instinct.

Good and evil come about as a result and thusly form the religion basis to human existence.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Despite the excessive length of the OP, the argument has merit but needs a nuanced approach to what rationality entails.

[The Valkyrie]

As women aren't we supposed to believe in puppies and unicorns and cute little kittens and rainbows?

Do they come with any weapons?

An alicorn for the unicorn, a cudgel from the leprechaun of the rainbow and your choice of weapons for yourself.

I notice my comments are being ignored by the OP.