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'Atheist' nations more peaceful, Global Peace Index study finds.
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RE: 'Atheist' nations more peaceful, Global Peace Index study finds.
(January 6, 2010 at 1:07 pm)binny Wrote: I think the reason people are more peaceful in Canada vs. the US is because 45 million Canadians don't die every year due to lack of health care.

Americans are just assholes.
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#22
RE: 'Atheist' nations more peaceful, Global Peace Index study finds.
What about North Korea? They are extremely godless, and extremely warlike, as a nation.

I agree with Canadians being more secular. There are plenty of religious people, but not many for whom religion is the focus of their lives. Casual believers.
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#23
RE: 'Atheist' nations more peaceful, Global Peace Index study finds.
(January 6, 2010 at 6:32 pm)Meatball Wrote: What about North Korea? They are extremely godless, and extremely warlike, as a nation.

I agree with Canadians being more secular. There are plenty of religious people, but not many for whom religion is the focus of their lives. Casual believers.

North Korea godless? BAH! They ALL worship a god, it's mandatory! his name is Kim Ii Sung, he's been dead for decades and is still the head of the state, his dipshit son Kim jon Ill is only the head of the party, and also a god according to North Koreans.
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#24
RE: 'Atheist' nations more peaceful, Global Peace Index study finds.
45 million Canadians couldn't die, there are only 30 million total.
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RE: 'Atheist' nations more peaceful, Global Peace Index study finds.
(January 5, 2010 at 10:07 pm)Pippy Wrote: Canada is surprisingly secular. At least the average person, and the younger people. I think they got swept up in the misleading untruths about the nature of god, and so now disbelieve. You know, that whole 'I don't think the bible is divine word, so there is no god' fallacy.
Care to elaborate on the fallacy, and could you also explain what "untruths" there could be about devoting an aspect of your life to serving one concept of a deity, usually the exclusion of all others, and still vetting it as "truth"?

And don't bother arguing that religion lends stability or comfort - I know some chain smokers - they claim that their cigarettes give them comfort and mood stability, all while being aware that they are increasing their risk of lung cancer. Just because it makes you feel good doesn't make it right in the long term and must be evaluated critically and carefully to minimize risk and fallout.


(January 5, 2010 at 10:07 pm)Pippy Wrote: It's also very calm and nice to live here, but I don't thik the secularism has much to do with it. Even the religious people are usually very polite. But go down to Toronto, and you may get shot by a gang member like any American city. In fact we consider Toronto American. That difference is not because Toronto is more religious, in fact I would guess the average gang-banger is not big on faith.

Did you ever consider that secularism protects the rights of those to believe strongly without intervention of non believers and vice a versa for one who does not believe? The pendulum swingeth both ways. In any setting, secularism is the best solution for people of differing beliefs.
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RE: 'Atheist' nations more peaceful, Global Peace Index study finds.
@ Meatball.. To paraphrase Christopher Hitchens - he says that he has been to over 60 countries and all 'so-called' axis of Evil: Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. And he says that in his view, North Korea is just about as far as way from a secular country as you can get.

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RE: 'Atheist' nations more peaceful, Global Peace Index study finds.
I would be happy to expand.

The fallacy is this; We both agree that the Bible is not the literal divine word of god, nor is it a scientifically accurate document. But we take different assumptions from that fact. I think that they have mis-characterized the supreme being, that they are incorrect about god (although that incorrectness is an opinion, not a fact). You guys have come to the conclusion that because the bible is not the word of god, there is no god. So while I am saying that the Fundamentalist literal creationists are wrong about god, you are saying that they are right. In the sense that only discounting one version of god does not an atheist make. There are a lot of ideas about god, and I tried to disprove them all as an atheist years ago, and failed. It is not possible to disprove 6,000,000,000 versions of an idea.

The fallacy lies in the fact that we both think the creationists are wrong. I think they are wrong, so I keep looking for something that is right. You think they are wrong, so there is no god. That means that in as much as they are wrong, they are right, because after disproving them the battle is over.

Make sense?
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#28
RE: 'Atheist' nations more peaceful, Global Peace Index study finds.
Not at all.

My disbelief in gods is not based on the inaccuracy of the bible, but the simple fact that there is no evidence to compel me to believe there is. You are giving the bible way too much credit for that. I don't believe in any gods, so that includes all those that are non-biblical.
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#29
RE: 'Atheist' nations more peaceful, Global Peace Index study finds.
(January 7, 2010 at 8:40 am)Pippy Wrote: I would be happy to expand.

The fallacy is this; We both agree that the Bible is not the literal divine word of god, nor is it a scientifically accurate document. But we take different assumptions from that fact. I think that they have mis-characterized the supreme being, that they are incorrect about god (although that incorrectness is an opinion, not a fact). You guys have come to the conclusion that because the bible is not the word of god, there is no god. So while I am saying that the Fundamentalist literal creationists are wrong about god, you are saying that they are right. In the sense that only discounting one version of god does not an atheist make. There are a lot of ideas about god, and I tried to disprove them all as an atheist years ago, and failed. It is not possible to disprove 6,000,000,000 versions of an idea.

The fallacy lies in the fact that we both think the creationists are wrong. I think they are wrong, so I keep looking for something that is right. You think they are wrong, so there is no god. That means that in as much as they are wrong, they are right, because after disproving them the battle is over.

Make sense?
Not in the slightest. You see - there is this book here, with the inherent properties of a book. Statistically, I am going to find out it is roughly box shaped with a varying thickness in a defined range based on theoretical text-to-page density correlated with the limits of the human eye to find an upper bound. Chances are it is meant to be read, and chances are it was written by at least 1 individual.

To say that the Bible is the word of God is, for lack of a better term, applying the ownership of an infinite being outside of time, living in the past, future and present, who displays the most conflicting character traits, is statistically unlikely. Doesn't make it untrue, but it does make the "truth" stated by theists questionable.

Also, you attempt argumentum ad populum, thinking that "6,000,000,000" (where'd you get that number - out of your ass?) variations on an idea makes it correct. And let me prove why your argument fails with a test case: Extrapolating from [1] the Population Reference Bureau with an estimated 106,456,367,669 people ever born, and assuming that 50% of them ever made it past infancy, and also assuming that at one point, most people had an idea of the world being flat at some point in their life, leaving 5.32281838 × 10^10 similar ideas of the world being flat, opposed to your ass-picked number of 6×10^9. Obviously, the world must be flat (sarcasm)!

You may argue that, from a very limited perspective due to the relative size of the Earth compared to a human being, the Earth /is/ flat, but that assertion breaks down after you travel a short distance of several dozen miles, with a very slight, nigh unnoticeable, curvature occurring.

Since you assert the positive that there must be a God or some other supreme being, outside of what we normally see, the burden of proof is on you.
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RE: 'Atheist' nations more peaceful, Global Peace Index study finds.
Pakistan on 137th!Sad muslims are at bottom but still thinking they pray to the right godExclamation
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