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RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 29, 2014 at 6:11 pm
(May 29, 2014 at 6:08 pm)Tea Earl Grey Hot Wrote: It's impossible to believe in God via pascals razor. You can't coherently believe "there is a God" just because "if I don't, I might burn forever". Your belief in God then is only as strong as the chances you believe you will suffer everlasting torment if you don't believe in God. The chances of that being true based on all you know are at best 50/50 which is the state of agnosticism. This means that for all you know, God existing is a 50/50 chance but then you say from that we should have full blown belief in God. But to believe something is true, you need reasons that support the truth of that something. You can't believe something is true while recognizing that you have no good reasons to believe it is true. Belief can't be stronger than the reasons that support a belief. "There's actually a 50% chance God exists, but I believe 100% God exist" is an incoherent belief. but what are you risking?
An eternity is a long time.
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RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 29, 2014 at 6:13 pm
(May 29, 2014 at 6:03 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: How did I know pascals wager was coming from this guy?
Because we have had nearly every other fallacy you can imagine from him.
Wonder if we'll get any original fallacies?
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RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 29, 2014 at 6:14 pm
(May 29, 2014 at 6:11 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: (May 29, 2014 at 6:08 pm)Tea Earl Grey Hot Wrote: It's impossible to believe in God via pascals razor. You can't coherently believe "there is a God" just because "if I don't, I might burn forever". Your belief in God then is only as strong as the chances you believe you will suffer everlasting torment if you don't believe in God. The chances of that being true based on all you know are at best 50/50 which is the state of agnosticism. This means that for all you know, God existing is a 50/50 chance but then you say from that we should have full blown belief in God. But to believe something is true, you need reasons that support the truth of that something. You can't believe something is true while recognizing that you have no good reasons to believe it is true. Belief can't be stronger than the reasons that support a belief. "There's actually a 50% chance God exists, but I believe 100% God exist" is an incoherent belief. but what are you risking?
An eternity is a long time.
It doesn't matter what I'm risking because what you're asking me to do is impossible. I can't believe in the truth or falsity of "x" for reasons that have nothing to do with whether "x" is true or false.
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RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 29, 2014 at 6:14 pm
Have you looked up Pascal's Wager yet, Artur? A bunch of people have suggested you do, and since it's Pascal's Wager that you're proposing, it might do you well to read up on it.
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RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 29, 2014 at 6:14 pm
(May 29, 2014 at 6:11 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: (May 29, 2014 at 6:08 pm)Tea Earl Grey Hot Wrote: It's impossible to believe in God via pascals razor. You can't coherently believe "there is a God" just because "if I don't, I might burn forever". Your belief in God then is only as strong as the chances you believe you will suffer everlasting torment if you don't believe in God. The chances of that being true based on all you know are at best 50/50 which is the state of agnosticism. This means that for all you know, God existing is a 50/50 chance but then you say from that we should have full blown belief in God. But to believe something is true, you need reasons that support the truth of that something. You can't believe something is true while recognizing that you have no good reasons to believe it is true. Belief can't be stronger than the reasons that support a belief. "There's actually a 50% chance God exists, but I believe 100% God exist" is an incoherent belief. but what are you risking?
An eternity is a long time.
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RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 29, 2014 at 6:14 pm
Go, go, condescension! w00t!
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RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 29, 2014 at 6:14 pm
(May 29, 2014 at 6:11 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: (May 29, 2014 at 6:08 pm)Tea Earl Grey Hot Wrote: It's impossible to believe in God via pascals razor. You can't coherently believe "there is a God" just because "if I don't, I might burn forever". Your belief in God then is only as strong as the chances you believe you will suffer everlasting torment if you don't believe in God. The chances of that being true based on all you know are at best 50/50 which is the state of agnosticism. This means that for all you know, God existing is a 50/50 chance but then you say from that we should have full blown belief in God. But to believe something is true, you need reasons that support the truth of that something. You can't believe something is true while recognizing that you have no good reasons to believe it is true. Belief can't be stronger than the reasons that support a belief. "There's actually a 50% chance God exists, but I believe 100% God exist" is an incoherent belief. but what are you risking?
An eternity is a long time.
So you answer a criticism of pascals failure by REPEATING pascal's failure.
Wow!
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RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 29, 2014 at 6:18 pm
Another thread doomed to idiocy from the start.
Think of all the time I'll save by not reading it.
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RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 29, 2014 at 6:18 pm
I don't want to be in heaven or hell, or any one place, for eternity. Neither seems appealing.
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RE: And if you are wrong , eternity is a long time.
May 29, 2014 at 6:22 pm
(May 29, 2014 at 6:18 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Another thread doomed to idiocy from the start.
Think of all the time I'll save by not reading it.
But isn't it your job as admin to read it?
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