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#41
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Okay SteelCurtain, thank you.
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#42
RE: Hello
I liked your Airbenders association Smile

I think humanity does indeed have religion fill many empty holes that our societies are unable to fill at this time for one reason or another. Simple tenets like 'love one another and treat each other like you would be treated, etc.' are universal lessons mankind needs to work on. Religion, in my opinion, is little more than social commentary.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#43
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(June 12, 2014 at 10:29 am)muslimatheism Wrote:
(June 12, 2014 at 10:27 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:


What I mean that almost all religions existed today is from the same source, same prophets, same history and corroborates in many aspects. For example Judaism, Christianity and Islam. I believe these three books; ie. Torah, Bible and Quran is one book. The revelations are a continuing process from Moses, to Jesus, to Muhammad, and it is an episodes which ends with the Quran (The Final Testament). These three books constitute the whole Quran. This is equally true from the Quran.

Other religions basically rooted from Hinduism, and it is about the laws of nature. This is equally true from the Quran, and which the Quran mentioned it as the Sunnatullah. To understand the "Sunnatullah" is the main objective of all the rules in the Quran. The Quran is a guide for mankind to study the laws of nature, and apply it in their lives.
Therefore, I am studying all and need to understand all religions.

I am interested in where these ideas come from. You probably know better than me, I have not read very much of the Quran. What about the Quran, Torah, and Bible lead you to believe that they are sequels to each other, or in some way related in a way other than that they are monotheistic? (If you could call Christianity monotheism, the American fundamentalist version of God is a three-headed monster...)

(June 12, 2014 at 10:29 am)muslimatheism Wrote:
(June 12, 2014 at 10:27 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:


Absolute justice, ie. the laws of nature. . how to balance and achieve justice in different kinds of situation , so that we cause no harm to ourselves and cause no harm to others, the society as a whole. Balance is not about right or wrong, but about equal existence of right and wrong. It is more like the Yin and Yang, both are needed. . and it is "life".

I cannot bring myself to read that whole thing... (sorry, but it's like 400 pages long), but the main quote is this:

"...And He forbids indecency, and manifest evil, and
wrongful transgression. He admonishes you, so that
you may take heed. "
(Surah al-Nahl; Ch.16: V.91)

Haven't we come up with a more comprehensive, civilized, and most importantly more specific method of functioning as a society? This seems, at the surface, to be a perfectly acceptable idea. But when you add the fears associated with religion, you get interpretation. Interpretation is where terrible things happen. When we use ideas like "He forbids indecency," that leads scared men to make up ridiculous laws that diminish the humanity of individuals.

(June 12, 2014 at 10:29 am)muslimatheism Wrote:
(June 12, 2014 at 10:27 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:


No. . but I'm still studying about the word "solat" in the Quran. I believe more than 95% of its actual meaning is not referring to the ritual prayer. People have corrupted the translation and true meanings. The word is referring to the "system of balance and justice". In facts, many rituals in Islam are fake and not from the Quran.
What does this word "solat" mean, exactly? And what other rituals from the Quran do you feel are fake, and why?

(June 12, 2014 at 10:29 am)muslimatheism Wrote:
(June 12, 2014 at 10:27 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:


Why do we need Sharia Law when man made laws can achieve balance and justice ? The man made law is the Sharia Law.

This is just my personal opinion.

I couldn't agree more.
I really hope you stick around. You bring a fresh perspective that would be a fantastic addition to our community.
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#44
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(June 12, 2014 at 8:57 pm)Luckie Wrote: I liked your Airbenders association Smile

I think humanity does indeed have religion fill many empty holes that our societies are unable to fill at this time for one reason or another. Simple tenets like 'love one another and treat each other like you would be treated, etc.' are universal lessons mankind needs to work on. Religion, in my opinion, is little more than social commentary.

Thank you Luckie, and when I watch the series, I start to realize that the story is much telling about the world we live today.

Judaism is more like the Earth element and they remain with their traditions, even when many have progressed and leave their customs and traditions. The Earth elements without balance from the Air, Fire and Water elements will create stones, no progress in real life. Nothing will happen.

Christianity is the Air element, it brings happiness and enjoyment of life through service. It is about humanity . . The Air elements without balance from the Earth, Fire and Water elements will create Tornado and Hurricane, where one would return home and found out that the house (or individual) is completely messed up after the party.

Islam is the Fire element, it only concerns with right and wrong, and punish people and wars. . chop off their head, punish, punish, punish people. The fire elements without balance from the Earth, Air and Water elements will burned all life on earth.

Hinduism and Buddhism is the Water element, it only concerns with nature, expertise and spirituality. The Water elements without balance from the Earth, Air and Fire elements will flood the whole world with knowledge. They will live in holes and cannot take bigger responsibility or leadership position.

(June 12, 2014 at 9:30 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I am interested in where these ideas come from. You probably know better than me, I have not read very much of the Quran. What about the Quran, Torah, and Bible lead you to believe that they are sequels to each other, or in some way related in a way other than that they are monotheistic? (If you could call Christianity monotheism, the American fundamentalist version of God is a three-headed monster...)

The idea came from the "Solat", ie. when I'm studying about the meaning of "Solat" from the Quran and after realizing that it is not mentioned in the Quran. I then found out that the "Solat" is the embedded message by the Last Prophet. I think we can fairly say that it is the same method people preserve messages in stone, pictures and statues.

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(June 12, 2014 at 9:30 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Haven't we come up with a more comprehensive, civilized, and most importantly more specific method of functioning as a society? This seems, at the surface, to be a perfectly acceptable idea. But when you add the fears associated with religion, you get interpretation. Interpretation is where terrible things happen. When we use ideas like "He forbids indecency," that leads scared men to make up ridiculous laws that diminish the humanity of individuals.

I believe the Quran is a guidance for those who have heart and understand with it, for those who have eyes and see with it, for those who have ear and hear with it. The Quran is a guidance who purify themselves and improve their sense perception. Contradictorily, I believe religious people involves with the fallacy of hasty generalization and they are blind about balance and justice. They only concern with sectarianism or bigotism, which will cause corruption on earth.

(June 12, 2014 at 9:30 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: What does this word "solat" mean, exactly? And what other rituals from the Quran do you feel are fake, and why?

I believe the word solat is referring to the duty to establish the system of balance and justice. It is Peacemaking, and the Muslim should be Peacemakers. I believe Islam is not about "submission", but it is about "assimilation" with life and finding similarities for human unity (no sectarianism).

(June 12, 2014 at 9:30 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: And what other rituals from the Quran do you feel are fake, and why?

The main rituals from the 5 pillars of Islam, and other rituals not mentioned in the Quran. . . because it is contradicting with facts from the Quran. However, I'm still studying all the words in the Quran.

(June 12, 2014 at 9:30 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I couldn't agree more.
I really hope you stick around. You bring a fresh perspective that would be a fantastic addition to our community.

Mankind was one single nation (2.213)

and mankind and all living creatures only understand the language of equity, balance and justice, not religion. . . that's why there is war etc.
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