Sacrificing our Moral Compasses

[Rampant.A.I.]

Where in the west can you rape a virgin to gain a wife?

Thanks, secular laws, for saving us from

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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Hey folks. Just wanted to share something I read and hoped to get your input (theist or atheist).
I sometimes read Christian journals or forums or news sites just to keep my finger on the pulse and have a general idea of what’s going on in Christian America, and most of the time the bulk of the stories or articles end with me scoffing softly and shaking my head.
However there is one reoccurring theme that absolutely makes my stomach turn, and in my opinion is one of the most dangerous characteristics of Christianity (and most other religions).

I was browsing the Christian sub-reddits and I came across someone who had a genuine question about morality (in specific sexual morality) and asked that if something does no harm to anyone and doesn’t violate anyone else’s rights, how can it be wrong? People trotted out the responses I usually see such as contraception preventing human life and robust sexual activity being harmful to one’s spiritual being…and one argument that is absolutely hideous.
Someone responded to the OPs issues with:]

“Thought experiment: suppose God arbitrarily decides it's bad to do X, even though doing X produces no discernible negative consequences. Given that morality depends upon God's nature and preferences rather than what you and I might prefer, therefore it follows that doing X is wrong regardless of whether you can explain why, or see any direct negative effects.”

The utter surrender of one’s own moral compass to the whims (as the above mentions) of a being is something that I find both disgusting and extremely dangerous. Withholding from behavior that can be enriching and fun and productive and healthy SIMPLY because skydaddy says its bad is scary enough, but the flip side of that is thinking that something harmful, restrictive, dangerous, and injurious is OKAY to do because skydaddy says so.
Do I think that anyone who believes in God-based morality is necessarily going to do something horrid based on their beliefs? Of course not. But people HAVE done horrible things based on this idea, and the pathway of their logic is very clear.
Genuflecting to a higher authority on moral questions while willingly and openly surrendering your own morals is probably the single most revolting thing about religions to me. Besides, if our moral compasses are so broken and incompetent, how do you trust your judgment that “God is good?”, if you’re coming to a moral conclusion using flawed instruments?

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Just wondering your guys’ thoughts.

That kind of logic is what political and religious fanatics use to impose dictatorships and eliminate freedom. They come up with a line of B.S. about how their insight is straight from the sky daddy and the local yokels sit on their butts and let them get away with it. So despite all of millions of years humanoids have been trying to become intelligent the average human of today is just as stupid as the first ape who walked upright.

It really doesn't matter if it's religious or political, the masses are nothing but sheep and will follow whichever con man shows up to lead them. And once started they will kill whoever gets in their way. It's just the way humans behave.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I'm saying that, from an atheist POV, If religion is evil, and religion was invented by men, then men are evil.

That doesn't follow from your premises.

Firstly, it may be that the men who invented religion were good men who had no idea that their idea would be perverted into a tool of control, corruption, and destruction.

Secondly, even if religion's creators did know that, the most you could infer is that some men are evil.

[fr0d0]

I can't think of one example where God's morality would be undesirable. Unlawful, sure. Uncomfortable, yes.

Gods morality is impersonal. Bereft of personal bias.

[FatAndFaithless]

I can't think of one example where God's morality would be undesirable. Unlawful, sure. Uncomfortable, yes.

Gods morality is impersonal. Bereft of personal bias.

So let me ask you this. If God or the Bible urged you to do something that you yourself were uncomfortable or unwilling to do because you found it immoral, would you still do it?

[fr0d0]

I can't think of one example where God's morality would be undesirable. Unlawful, sure. Uncomfortable, yes.

Gods morality is impersonal. Bereft of personal bias.

So let me ask you this. If God or the Bible urged you to do something that you yourself were uncomfortable or unwilling to do because you found it immoral, would you still do it?

Give me an example

Conversely, if you felt something was moral yet it was against the law, would you do it? And what would be the difference between our two actions?

My morals are grounded on my beliefs. My inner sense of morality comes from God, as Christians believe occurs in all humans. Without an external thermometer though, you are liable to act selfishly.

[FatAndFaithless]

So let me ask you this. If God or the Bible urged you to do something that you yourself were uncomfortable or unwilling to do because you found it immoral, would you still do it?

Give me an example

Conversely, if you felt something was moral yet it was against the law, would you do it? And what would be the difference between our two actions?

My morals are grounded on my beliefs. My inner sense of morality congress from God, as Christians believe occurs in all humans. Without an external thermometer though, you are liable to act selfishly.

I'll go with an easy one. If God told you to kill your son, would you?

[fr0d0]

I'll go with an easy one. If God told you to kill your son, would you?

While I'm thinking (and going to pick up my daughter).

Same question to you...

If you thought it was morally correct to kill your son, would you?

[FatAndFaithless]

I'll go with an easy one. If God told you to kill your son, would you?

While I'm thinking (and going to pick up my daughter).

Same question to you...

If you thought it was morally correct to kill your son, would you?

Well, thanks for not answering the question.

And no, if anyone told me to kill my son, I'd react similarly to Hitchens and say "Fuck you" to whoever told me.

[Bad Wolf]

Another dodge, this ain't dodgeball frodo, answer the damn question!