Another example of the "gay to straight" myth

[zanOTK]

There's still a lot of argument over what exactly causes homosexuality and bisexuality. Whether or not it can be treated, and how it should be treated (if the individual actually feels they need treatment. It should be totally up to them), depends upon what exactly causes it.

I'm bisexual. I didn't want to be, and I sure as hell didn't choose to be. Being raised in a fundamentalist Christian home, I believed homosexuality and bisexuality were wrong and sins against God while I was growing up. So, I denied my emotions and what I honestly found to be appealing. I was 18 when I finally accepted the fact that I find men attractive. If I had a choice, I probably would find treatment if I felt it was safe and I could actually afford it. I would because bisexual men are often considered to be quite disgusting, even by some homosexuals. That's the weird thing. Even as our society is becoming more accepting of homosexuality (and it is, very slowly), it still has trouble accepting anything other than monosexuality (only being sexually attracted to men or women, not both). So yeah, I would try to be treated. But it wouldn't work. It wouldn't work because your sexuality isn't a damn disease, nor is it a lifestyle choice. It might be a result of having no strong father figure. It might be genetic. It might be something we haven't even thought of yet. But it's who I am, and it's who many, many other people are. Whether Rick Perry, or anybody else, likes it or not.

I feel sorry for Mr. Paulk's wife, and any children he may have had (I'm not familiar with him, so I don't know if he had much of a family or not). But he shouldn't have been made to believe he had to go through that treatment in the first place. It used to be believed that you needed to receive treatment for non-heterosexual attractions, but science has since totally disproven that. So people like Rick Perry need to move into the 21st century and shut the hell up.

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I agree with your point but at best all it can be used for is to claim there is simply no need to treat homosexuality where as there is a need to treat pedophilia. My question is this: If pedophilia can be treated why can't homosexuality? What is magical about homosexuality that makes it immune to treatment?

Treatments are not always formulated on needs but rather wants. Nobody needs to be treated for Alopecia....and because that is true should we ban the treatment of Alopecia? Of course not.

Pedophilia is not a sexuality it is a disease. Even pedophiles are hetero, homo, or bi sexual. You cannot treat someone's sexuality. There's no cure for sexuality. If you were to treat a homosexual what would a cure be? Asexuality?

Many believe that the cure for homosexuality IS asexuality. Which is, in my opinion, an insult to homosexuals and asexuals at once.

[Losty]

Why should there be a cause or a cure? What is the cure for heterosexuality?


If you're a lady, the answer is Luckie

[Chad32]

We love to find causes for everything, and know why something happens the way it does. Unfortunately sometimes people have negative reactions towards thing that don't line up with how they think something should work.

[zanOTK]

Why should there be a cause or a cure? What is the cure for heterosexuality?


If you're a lady, the answer is Luckie

Everything has a cause. And thus, with the right technology, can be cured. But, the real question is, does it need to be cured? It's within the realm of possibility to "cure" somebody of being white (we can't do it right now, but it's possible that we could one day). But why would you? It's their skin color, it's part of who they are. Now, if they felt like they'd be happier if they had a different skin color, then fine. But most people probably wouldn't do it.

[SteelCurtain]

The treatment for pedophilia is not to alter the arousal. You cannot do that. You cannot change someone's system of arousal. It is set sometime in adolescence.

The treatment for pedophilia is to educate the offender about his/her actions and his/her victims. It is to change the way he thinks about sex, and to identify and define a "cycle of offending," in order to break the cycle when he's able to identify factors. There is no cure for pedophilia. This is stressed to the offender over anything else.

http://www.tn.gov/correction/tsotb/pdf/S...pg7-11.pdf

[vorlon13]

Why should there be a cause or a cure? What is the cure for heterosexuality?


If you're a lady, the answer is Luckie

Everything has a cause. And thus, with the right technology, can be cured. But, the real question is, does it need to be cured? It's within the realm of possibility to "cure" somebody of being white (we can't do it right now, but it's possible that we could one day). But why would you? It's their skin color, it's part of who they are. Now, if they felt like they'd be happier if they had a different skin color, then fine. But most people probably wouldn't do it.

A very good friend of mine has shared his experiences with being, as they say, 100% gay, and dating a man who slowly oscillates from 80% gay to 80% straight on a time scale of around 2 years to get back to where he started.

I don't know if it is that complex for you, but after what my friend has been through, he's found total honesty about where he is, his boyfriend being the same, has resulted in them making a go of it for several years.

His companion has been with women during their time together, it is my impression he is far less forthcoming with them, for some reason, and that has led to far more problems than anything else.

Maybe he has to be that way with women, I don't know if any would go with him if they knew, but considering the disasters that always result when he does it the way he does, I have to wonder.

I don't know if this helps, my thoughts are with you either way.

[Losty]

Why should there be a cause or a cure? What is the cure for heterosexuality?


If you're a lady, the answer is Luckie

Everything has a cause. And thus, with the right technology, can be cured. But, the real question is, does it need to be cured? It's within the realm of possibility to "cure" somebody of being white (we can't do it right now, but it's possible that we could one day). But why would you? It's their skin color, it's part of who they are. Now, if they felt like they'd be happier if they had a different skin color, then fine. But most people probably wouldn't do it.

This was actually my point, but you said it much more eloquently than I did

[Ravenshire]

I don't know if conversion therapy is effective or not. However I do ask myself if pedophilia can be treated why can't homosexuality? Further if someone wants to be treated for homosexuality....why should we prevent it?

Can pedophilia be treated? I've never heard it can. I'd be interested if you have any information on it.

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[Zen Badger]

The biggest difference between pedophilia and homosexuality is the fact that one can be done between consenting adults, and the other can't. Therefore the one that involves consenting adults should be treated with more acceptance than the other. Whether pedophilia can be treated or not, we shouldn't allow people to have sex with children, who can't legally consent to sex.

I agree with your point but at best all it can be used for is to claim there is simply no need to treat homosexuality where as there is a need to treat pedophilia. My question is this: If pedophilia can be treated why can't homosexuality? What is magical about homosexuality that makes it immune to treatment?

Treatments are not always formulated on needs but rather wants. Nobody needs to be treated for Alopecia....and because that is true should we ban the treatment of Alopecia? Of course not.

Why are you acting as if homosexuality is some sort of problem that needs to be treated?
Its only a problem in the minds of bigoted assholes that think that their way is the only way.

[zanOTK]

Everything has a cause. And thus, with the right technology, can be cured. But, the real question is, does it need to be cured? It's within the realm of possibility to "cure" somebody of being white (we can't do it right now, but it's possible that we could one day). But why would you? It's their skin color, it's part of who they are. Now, if they felt like they'd be happier if they had a different skin color, then fine. But most people probably wouldn't do it.

A very good friend of mine has shared his experiences with being, as they say, 100% gay, and dating a man who slowly oscillates from 80% gay to 80% straight on a time scale of around 2 years to get back to where he started.

I don't know if it is that complex for you, but after what my friend has been through, he's found total honesty about where he is, his boyfriend being the same, has resulted in them making a go of it for several years.

His companion has been with women during their time together, it is my impression he is far less forthcoming with them, for some reason, and that has led to far more problems than anything else.

Maybe he has to be that way with women, I don't know if any would go with him if they knew, but considering the disasters that always result when he does it the way he does, I have to wonder.

I don't know if this helps, my thoughts are with you either way.

It's not that complicated for me. I'm more attracted to women than men, especially emotionally. With men it's almost entirely a physical attraction, although there have been a few men I was emotionally attracted to as well. Sadly, they were always straight. So I've only ever dated women, because I refuse to date someone I'm not emotionally attracted to as well.

I'd say the guy doesn't -have- to be with women as well. He could go through a period where he's attracted to women and not act on it because of his relationship, if he really wanted to. It's all about being devoted to that one person. Kind of what being in a relationship is all about.

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Everything has a cause. And thus, with the right technology, can be cured. But, the real question is, does it need to be cured? It's within the realm of possibility to "cure" somebody of being white (we can't do it right now, but it's possible that we could one day). But why would you? It's their skin color, it's part of who they are. Now, if they felt like they'd be happier if they had a different skin color, then fine. But most people probably wouldn't do it.

This was actually my point, but you said it much more eloquently than I did

Lol, perhaps. But I wasn't smart enough to realize it was your point in the first place.