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affirmative action
#11
RE: affirmative action
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#12
RE: affirmative action
As a law student that has debated cases of affirmative action, aka positive discrimination, I can tell you that in most cases (not all) I don't support it and it goes against any secular, democratic constitution. The problem is positive discrimination WILL negatively discriminate someone negatively as a side effect (for instance, a minimum of black people for a university regardless of skills will leave white people with more skills out, so they will be discriminated negatively). Equality means treating alike what is alike and differently what is different. I do agree that social minorities should be supported and given good conditions to live and put their kids in school, these kids should have extra school support themselves, etc. However from the moment you get a job, into college, etc, just because of your race, gender or religion that's when I start being against it. If my constitution states 'None shall be discriminated by reasons such as race, religion or gender' that goes both ways in my interpretation analysis, you can't benefit or prejudice someone, simply treat them alike.
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#13
RE: affirmative action
(June 27, 2014 at 9:25 pm)Blackout Wrote: As a law student that has debated cases of affirmative action, aka positive discrimination, I can tell you that in most cases (not all) I don't support it and it goes against any secular, democratic constitution. The problem is positive discrimination WILL negatively discriminate someone negatively as a side effect (for instance, a minimum of black people for a university regardless of skills will leave white people with more skills out, so they will be discriminated negatively). Equality means treating alike what is alike and differently what is different. I do agree that social minorities should be supported and given good conditions to live and put their kids in school, these kids should have extra school support themselves, etc. However from the moment you get a job, into college, etc, just because of your race, gender or religion that's when I start being against it. If my constitution states 'None shall be discriminated by reasons such as race, religion or gender' that goes both ways in my interpretation analysis, you can't benefit or prejudice someone, simply treat them alike.
Is "positive discrimination" considered a derogatory or offensive term by advocates for AA. Just wondering if maybe they to recognize aa as discrimination.
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#14
RE: affirmative action
(July 9, 2014 at 3:26 pm)shortbusgangsta3 Wrote:
(June 27, 2014 at 9:25 pm)Blackout Wrote: As a law student that has debated cases of affirmative action, aka positive discrimination, I can tell you that in most cases (not all) I don't support it and it goes against any secular, democratic constitution. The problem is positive discrimination WILL negatively discriminate someone negatively as a side effect (for instance, a minimum of black people for a university regardless of skills will leave white people with more skills out, so they will be discriminated negatively). Equality means treating alike what is alike and differently what is different. I do agree that social minorities should be supported and given good conditions to live and put their kids in school, these kids should have extra school support themselves, etc. However from the moment you get a job, into college, etc, just because of your race, gender or religion that's when I start being against it. If my constitution states 'None shall be discriminated by reasons such as race, religion or gender' that goes both ways in my interpretation analysis, you can't benefit or prejudice someone, simply treat them alike.
Is "positive discrimination" considered a derogatory or offensive term by advocates for AA. Just wondering if maybe they to recognize aa as discrimination.

Positive discrimination makes it look like some people are inferior and need more aid.
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#15
RE: affirmative action
In institutions like fire departments and police outfits, good-ole-boys' networks have long been instrumental in keeping minorities out of leadership positions. There's certainly a place for AA in those sorts of institutions, where qualified candidates are still often locked out of promotional opportunities.

For universities, etc, I think the case is harder to make. My opinion is that society would be better-served by ameliorating the problems which seem to result in lower minority university attendance and performance, such as better lower-echelon schools, a better social safety net to ensure that material poverty doesn't turn into intellectual poverty, and so on. Simply requiring universities to accept a certain percentage of minority students, regardless of their preparation, doesn't seem to me to be useful.

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#16
RE: affirmative action
There's a difference between anti-discrimination laws which prohibit discrimination in the workplace, schools, housing, government contracts etc. and affirmative action which requires preference be given to minorities and/or women in those same places. I'm for the former, and not so keen on the latter. Affirmative action is a form of discrimination. It also a matter of pride. I'd hate to think I got into a college because I am a woman. If affirmative action is necessary at all, couldn't it be accomplished by giving preference to those from poverty stricken backgrounds?
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#17
RE: affirmative action
Well, we might conceptualize the way that we have historically treated minorities and women as having handled them as though they were of the lowest economic class. Property. If we drew ourselves a venn I wonder what we would find, between minorities, females, and the poor? An "affirmative action of the poor" would almost certainly handle the most extreme gaps in our society currently being handled by affirmative action- and it might even pick up a few folks who fell by the wayside, like share-croppers descendants (as only one of what I'm certain must be hundreds of examples). It's also a less cumbersome position to argue from, given that the metrics involved have nothing to do with the presence of a penis, the relative amount of melanin in the applicants skin, or the deeds of long dead men.

(wonderings above are clearly rhetorical)
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#18
RE: affirmative action
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