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RE: historical merits of the bible?
June 27, 2014 at 10:52 am
(June 27, 2014 at 9:30 am)ignoramus Wrote: As a historical body of text, has it provided any historical or scientific information which is generally considered "fact" due to the empirical evidence noted in it, which cannot be validated by other writings of the time.
Eg: social migration, spread of ethnicities, topological accuracies, technologies of the period, etc.
Let's take a quick overview of the history recorded in the Bible:
1. 6 Day creation
2. Tower of Babel, languages instantly created.
3. Global flood.
4. Hebrew settlement in Egypt (no evidence for this).
5. Hebrew population grew from 70 to 1.2 million in 4 generations, a figure which only makes sense if every female was constantly pregnant with twins.
6. Exodus, ten plagues (no evidence for this)
7. Wandering the Sinai for 40 years (no evidence for this)
8. The bloody path to the Promised Land (no evidence for this)
9. The glorious Davidic empire (no evidence for this)
10. Fanciful tales about Jesus and the acts of the apostles.
So pretty much it's all either fanciful mythology or dubious, unsupported claims about history.
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RE: historical merits of the bible?
June 27, 2014 at 12:11 pm
The bible is a pile of shit.
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RE: historical merits of the bible?
June 27, 2014 at 12:28 pm
(This post was last modified: June 27, 2014 at 12:29 pm by Bibliofagus.)
(June 27, 2014 at 9:30 am)ignoramus Wrote: Guys, I really enjoy reading posts which dissect contents of the bible and analyse , scrutinize and find discrepancies.
Let's take away the sky daddy bits and all the morality and parables, etc.
What is left?
As a historical body of text, has it provided any historical or scientific information which is generally considered "fact" due to the empirical evidence noted in it, which cannot be validated by other writings of the time.
Eg: social migration
Millions have been spent looking for evidence on the exodus. None was found. These archeologists set out to prove the exodus for religious and political reasons, all they did was prove that the bible is not a reliable source for anything.
Which is extra funny considering Troy was long believed to be mythical, until the moment someone basically took up the Illiad, went looking and eventually found the place. (Which was the wrong place but in the end Schliemann and/or Calvert redid the work and found the correct spot).
I don't think the bible can claim anything like that. But I could be wrong on this.
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RE: historical merits of the bible?
June 27, 2014 at 12:31 pm
(June 27, 2014 at 12:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The bible is a pile of shit.
Shit has many useful nutrients. Bible has only poison.
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RE: historical merits of the bible?
June 27, 2014 at 12:48 pm
(June 27, 2014 at 9:33 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I'm not exactly sure what you mean by 'merit'. Does having merit simply mean "Not everything in the book is false"?
I have to agree with this sentiment.
So much of the book is inaccurate that you can't read any one given "historical" passage and know if you can trust it without verifying it. If you have to fact check all of the facts, of what use are those facts?
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RE: historical merits of the bible?
June 27, 2014 at 1:00 pm
You can get alot out of the text and the object itself if you're looking for the history of literature (western lit in particular, obvs).
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: historical merits of the bible?
June 27, 2014 at 1:08 pm
(June 27, 2014 at 1:00 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You can get alot out of the text and the object itself if you're looking for the history of literature (western lit in particular, obvs).
Absolutely you can get a lot of insights about culture and customs and stuff like that, but the OP asked about 'historical merit', and I'm still just wondering what exactly he means by that.
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RE: historical merits of the bible?
June 27, 2014 at 1:12 pm
(June 27, 2014 at 1:00 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You can get alot out of the text and the object itself if you're looking for the history of literature (western lit in particular, obvs).
Much like Fanny Hill.
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RE: historical merits of the bible?
June 27, 2014 at 1:18 pm
(This post was last modified: June 27, 2014 at 1:18 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 27, 2014 at 1:08 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (June 27, 2014 at 1:00 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You can get alot out of the text and the object itself if you're looking for the history of literature (western lit in particular, obvs).
Absolutely you can get a lot of insights about culture and customs and stuff like that, but the OP asked about 'historical merit', and I'm still just wondering what exactly he means by that. Culture, customs, language, infrastructure, tools and equipment, loads of information of economic importance. I'd call that "historical merit". Obvs, the op and I might not agree.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: historical merits of the bible?
June 27, 2014 at 1:25 pm
(June 27, 2014 at 1:18 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (June 27, 2014 at 1:08 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Absolutely you can get a lot of insights about culture and customs and stuff like that, but the OP asked about 'historical merit', and I'm still just wondering what exactly he means by that. Culture, customs, language, infrastructure, tools and equipment, loads of information of economic importance. I'd call that "historical merit". Obvs, the op and I might not agree.
Definitely we can get a lot of that stuff from the Bible, but I think the OP is asking about information that we can't get from other sources from that time, which might be what he means by merit.
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