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You're not allowed to end it all. Ever.
#31
RE: You're not allowed to end it all. Ever.
@Syn -

My office is across the street from a 13 story parking garage that happens to be a popular location for suicide, particularly amongst homeless youth. I've personally witnessed two suicides in the last two years, and there have been many more.

I also have known several people who ended their own lives. I think I get where you're coming from.

Problem is, if someone's determined to end their life, and we make it inconvenient to jump from one place, they'll choose another. I'd rather not see another broken teenager's body on the sidewalk - but it's no better if they go a block down the street to another building.

My issue with this is that our society does not sufficiently fund mental health treatment and outreach. If our elected leaders are going to fund preventative measures and then give themselves a pat on the back for "doing something", and then NOT address the underlying problem, then we've done a real disservice to people who need help - and taken a substantial amount of money away that could have been used to fund treatment and outreach that would be more effective. It's not exactly a zero-sum game, but there are limits to funds available for public spending.
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#32
RE: You're not allowed to end it all. Ever.
(June 29, 2014 at 1:51 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: @Losty

Another zero sum game believer...

Quote:Wasting it on a net to "save" people who didn't want it is bullshit.

Funny, survivors from jumping off the bridge often regret having taken that fateful step.

I've read their stories - have you?

Some ended up killing themselves anyways. It is sad. Others have continued to live.

Quote:You want people to stop jumping off your fucking bridge legalize medically assisted suicide for those who are really determined to die and spend money helping those who actually want to be saved.

1) death with dignity is interesting and I agree there are many situations where it should be allowed. You're on to something.

2) I'm fairly certain that those who seek suicide often don't reach out for help regardless of how trivial or complex their problems are.

I'm not heartless, I promise. I don't read those stories because I have been there and I can't deal with that stuff emotionally. I'm not saying these people shouldn't have the help. I'm saying that people sometimes reach out for help and don't find it. We should be spending money helping those people. Educating others to see the signs and paying people to work at hotlines, while volunteers could be hanging up at the bridge to talk people out of jumping. It just seems wrong to spend millions of dollars to save the few and then let the thousands who want to be saved depend on volunteers.

As for your number 2, I don't know about other people but when I have gotten to a breaking point my idea of reaching out can be very subtle. People need to be taught to recognize the signs. Reaching out isn't always easy and I think a lot of times people reach out (or at least they feel like they're reaching out) and no one sees it.
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#33
RE: You're not allowed to end it all. Ever.
(June 29, 2014 at 2:10 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: My issue with this is that our society does not sufficiently fund mental health treatment and outreach. If our elected leaders are going to fund preventative measures and then give themselves a pat on the back for "doing something", and then NOT address the underlying problem, then we've done a real disservice to people who need help - and taken a substantial amount of money away that could have been used to fund treatment and outreach that would be more effective. It's not exactly a zero-sum game, but there are limits to funds available for public spending.



You're right.

I take incredible umbrage with the doomsayers here, as the campaign for a barrier on the bridge is decades old. Had it been a recent phenomena, Napoleons point would be spot on.

After decades of campaigning, uncounted suicides, we finally get something...

And everyone suddenly becomes a magical fiscal conservative.

The bridge made public suicide tidy and acceptable. Out of sight, out of mind.

People will have to find another way now.

They will be messy.

Hopefully messy enough to force the public to lobby for mental health, lobby for a more fair society.

Suicide off the Golden Gate Bridge appears peaceful when the impact is anything but.

It is a lie that promises the suicidal death with relative anonymity but is more approximate to jumping off a building. Unlike a building, survivors face drowning while suffering from paralysis. Many will die more slowly than splattering off of a very tall building.
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#34
RE: You're not allowed to end it all. Ever.
(June 29, 2014 at 12:51 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote:
(June 29, 2014 at 11:03 am)Jenny A Wrote: The point is merely that we don't have unlimited resources. Therefore spending a lot of money so that just one person might reconsider is not worth it.

Bullshit. We spend and waste tons of money on many other things. Why is this any different?

Maybe this would also force people to reconsider a rent control works and how taxes are collected in the city.

But you don't care about that, do you? It's all zero-sum game, right?
Well that was rather hyperbolic.

It doesn't matter how taxes are assessed or collected or whether there is or isn't rent control (though I bet there would be more tax money if there weren't)---we still won't have an unlimited amount of money.

The bridge barrier may well be worth the expense, but not if it's only going to cause one person to reconsider suicide. That kind of emotional, spend the world to save one person thinking is hardly thinking at all.
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#35
RE: You're not allowed to end it all. Ever.
We wouldn't have this expense had the bridge been designed with the original barrier.

But it became a popular destination for suicide - now we need to add additional things to stopper the suicidal inertia that has built up over the years.

I'd rather my taxes spent on rectifying a historical mistake.

But sure, use your shitty reasoning.

It is the same rationalizations conservatives peddle for cutting funding to social programs.

I don't care for your ilk but go jump off someone else's bridge. I'll even research you a list.
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#36
RE: You're not allowed to end it all. Ever.
It's okay I'm not worried. I'm a thin man that can either slip through wide bars or climb any fence.
Although to be honest
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#37
RE: You're not allowed to end it all. Ever.
Apparently, not widely known or discussed, some people (a handful every year in the US) immolate themselves. Unlike the notable South Vietnamese monk, usually in a secluded area or where the fire will not be noticed in time.

Tough thinking about that, it is very difficult to imagine what it takes to get someone there, if even that statement is operative in that situation . .
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#38
RE: You're not allowed to end it all. Ever.
This is a waste of money that won't change a thing, but at least Moros is happy.

If people want to commit suicide then they will one way or another. This net is just beyond moronic and way too expensive.
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#39
RE: You're not allowed to end it all. Ever.
(June 29, 2014 at 7:34 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: We wouldn't have this expense had the bridge been designed with the original barrier.

But it became a popular destination for suicide - now we need to add additional things to stopper the suicidal inertia that has built up over the years.

I'd rather my taxes spent on rectifying a historical mistake.

But sure, use your shitty reasoning.

It is the same rationalizations conservatives peddle for cutting funding to social programs.

I don't care for your ilk but go jump off someone else's bridge. I'll even research you a list.

Sure, hate everyone who disagrees with you and call anything you don't agree with "shitty." Why not. I'm sure it'll help get you what you want. Confusedhock:
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#40
RE: You're not allowed to end it all. Ever.
(June 29, 2014 at 2:21 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: The bridge made public suicide tidy and acceptable. Out of sight, out of mind.

Wouldn't it be more cost effective to pay another Jim Jones; a Pied Piper of sorts?
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