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RE: Anti-theism and anti-religion
July 23, 2014 at 4:32 pm
Quote:I have to say you were a bad Deist. I was hardcore and read tons of Deistic literature and had to explain Deism more often than not because people understand it from a REALLY bias point of view. I think DeistPaladin may know some stuff on this as I have seen his videos before.
There are various deist orientations. Some deists believe in an afterlife, others do not, some may believe in miracles and supernatural events caused by god, others may not. Deists believe observing natural laws is enough to determine the existence of a creator, but this doesn't mean the creation (us, humans) don't have free will or liberty. As a deist, I believed we have freedom and free will, not immense or unlimited, but moderate liberty, enough to allow us to make daily regular decisions as well as big determinant life decisions. I always believed (and still do) that humans are free but severely limited by biological, social and ethical factors.
My deist conception was more or less like this - I believed in a creator of all matter and existence, who doesn't intervene frequently with the natural world, even if this could happen exceptionally and some metaphysical components could manifest themselves periodically (eg people who report seeing spirits). I also thought god didn't want us to be religious or pray, but to make us productive and rational enlightened beings. As for the afterlife, I really had mixed views, I was skeptical about it but still considered the possibility, and concluded I'd be ok with both possibilities, since I never though the creator would punish me for ridiculous things like being gay or practising premarital sex, or even for not believing in him
A orientation I found amusing is the one who claims that god created the universe and fused himself with it simultaneously, ceasing to exist as an individual entity. Doesn't this doctrine pretty much conclude 'god existed, but no longer does'?
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RE: Anti-theism and anti-religion
July 23, 2014 at 4:54 pm
(July 23, 2014 at 4:32 pm)Blackout Wrote: There are various deist orientations. Some deists believe in an afterlife, others do not, some may believe in miracles and supernatural events caused by god, others may not. Deists believe observing natural laws is enough to determine the existence of a creator, but this doesn't mean the creation (us, humans) don't have free will or liberty. As a deist, I believed we have freedom and free will, not immense or unlimited, but moderate liberty, enough to allow us to make daily regular decisions as well as big determinant life decisions. I always believed (and still do) that humans are free but severely limited by biological, social and ethical factors.
My deist conception was more or less like this - I believed in a creator of all matter and existence, who doesn't intervene frequently with the natural world, even if this could happen exceptionally and some metaphysical components could manifest themselves periodically (eg people who report seeing spirits). I also thought god didn't want us to be religious or pray, but to make us productive and rational enlightened beings. As for the afterlife, I really had mixed views, I was skeptical about it but still considered the possibility, and concluded I'd be ok with both possibilities, since I never though the creator would punish me for ridiculous things like being gay or practising premarital sex, or even for not believing in him
A orientation I found amusing is the one who claims that god created the universe and fused himself with it simultaneously, ceasing to exist as an individual entity. Doesn't this doctrine pretty much conclude 'god existed, but no longer does'?
I know there are many times of Deists but throughout history one type of Deist always outweighs the rest. Classical Deism for example is dead.
This idea of god existing at one point is a common concepts in Pagan cults, primarily Kemitic(Egyptian). It concludes that god became the universe or "died for mankind". This is a common theme and is actually the basis for the Jesus myth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_becomes_the_universe
Yeah, there is a wiki article on this lol. It is a reoccurring theme in paganism. Being an animist and idolater I find it amusing because I at least know where god went. I poop him out every day
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Anti-theism and anti-religion
July 24, 2014 at 2:59 am
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(July 22, 2014 at 3:23 pm)Blackout Wrote: (July 22, 2014 at 12:29 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Fundamentalism, for instance, regardless of the religion, is volatile and dangerous in every example I'm aware of.
If you suggesting I'm a fundamentalist be aware that there is no such thing as a fundamentalist atheist, since there is no dogma or book to follow
I'm not, but thanks for playing.
(July 22, 2014 at 3:23 pm)Blackout Wrote: (July 22, 2014 at 1:57 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Me neither but here's why: take away the authority, the appeal to ignorance, and the indoctrination of others, and what's left of God? What IS the idea that apparently involves none of these things? Is that a theistic God? Or does it, as I think, overtake the word "terrorism" as the most meaningless word ever conceived?
Not much. Are you suggesting the deistic god proposition would be all that's left? As an anti-theist, are you too against the deistic god type? And by the way, don't you have to be against the god idea to be an anti-theist? The words 'anti' + 'theist' point that way.
Am I just tipsy, or did this last part jump the rails?
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