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How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
#11
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
(July 22, 2014 at 4:18 pm)ShaMan Wrote:
(July 22, 2014 at 1:33 pm)Chad32 Wrote: You just wouldn't be the same if you took out chunks of your life and thoughts and replace them with whatever another person finds more acceptable.
Kinda like marriage? Thinking

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I've heard Christians say that there will be no crying in heaven- essentially admitting that God would wipe your mind to forget about your suffering loved ones in hell and make you into one of the robots he supposedly doesn't want you to be on Earth. This is one of those plot holes, just like natural disasters, that Christians will never write themselves out of.
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?

Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
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#12
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
(July 22, 2014 at 4:18 pm)ShaMan Wrote:
(July 22, 2014 at 1:33 pm)Chad32 Wrote: You just wouldn't be the same if you took out chunks of your life and thoughts and replace them with whatever another person finds more acceptable.
Kinda like marriage? Thinking

Huh? No, not like marriage. Chad is not simply talking about definitions that change over time, he's talking about whatever actual characteristics that together properly form "you," that is, YOUR history.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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#13
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
(July 22, 2014 at 4:18 pm)ShaMan Wrote:
(July 22, 2014 at 1:33 pm)Chad32 Wrote: You just wouldn't be the same if you took out chunks of your life and thoughts and replace them with whatever another person finds more acceptable.
Kinda like marriage? Thinking

No. Marriage doesn't completely rewrite who you are in order to suit the other person.

Yahweh didn't create us as slaves. He wants us to choose to be slaves.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#14
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
You guys are nearly as comical as Red Green.
Of course you will still be you.
The essence of you is not the body you live in.

When Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus, it was the same Jesus who walked Jerusalem.
You think it will be something else for you?

Here's the difference- until the Resurrection, in Heaven, you live in a spirit body, you look like you are in your 20s (unless you are younger than that when you leave here).
Your memories of failure are gone and it is impossible to be sad.
The giftings you have naturally you get to fully use.
You live in joy unspeakable and full of glory.
You never want to leave.
You may as well get used to the idea- A lot of Heaven is coming here.
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RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
(July 22, 2014 at 6:58 pm)professor Wrote: You guys are nearly as comical as Red Green.
Of course you will still be you.
The essence of you is not the body you live in.

When Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus, it was the same Jesus who walked Jerusalem.
You think it will be something else for you?

Here's the difference- until the Resurrection, in Heaven, you live in a spirit body, you look like you are in your 20s (unless you are younger than that when you leave here).
Your memories of failure are gone and it is impossible to be sad.
The giftings you have naturally you get to fully use.
You live in joy unspeakable and full of glory.
You never want to leave.
You may as well get used to the idea- A lot of Heaven is coming here.

Jesus is not a good example, because he was presumably sinless. Yahweh didn't have to drastically change him to make Jesus what he wanted. Never being sad, and always being happy has some unfortunate implications that go along with it.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#16
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
(July 22, 2014 at 6:58 pm)professor Wrote: The giftings you have naturally you get to fully use.
So what you're saying is... Thinking

That I'll get to fully use my ability to pick-up the babes... FOREVER! Confusedhock:
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#17
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
(July 22, 2014 at 7:02 pm)ShaMan Wrote:
(July 22, 2014 at 6:58 pm)professor Wrote: The giftings you have naturally you get to fully use.
So what you're saying is... Thinking

That I'll get to fully use my ability to pick-up the babes... FOREVER! Confusedhock:

Hope you like feathers . . .

ROFLOL
Dying to live, living to die.
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#18
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
(July 22, 2014 at 7:04 pm)Beccs Wrote: Hope you like feathers . . .
It goes without saying...

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RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
(July 22, 2014 at 4:40 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: I've heard Christians say that there will be no crying in heaven

So heaven is like baseball? Because,
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(July 22, 2014 at 6:58 pm)professor Wrote: You guys are nearly as comical as Red Green.
Of course you will still be you.
The essence of you is not the body you live in.

Presumably, you're talking about your consciousness or personality when you say this?


Quote:Here's the difference- until the Resurrection, in Heaven, you live in a spirit body, you look like you are in your 20s (unless you are younger than that when you leave here).

Why your 20s?

What if you were mauled by a rabid cougar (the feline, not the other kind :p) the day before your 20th birthday and you spent the next 15 years getting reconstructive surgery? Would your spirit body bear the scars of the mauling? Would you be destined to spend your eternity in heaven with the looks you had on your 29th year and 364th day of life because you can only look like what you looked like in your twenties?

And again, why your 20s? What's so magical about your 20s that you can't look a day over them once you're in heaven? What if this is what you looked like in your 20s?

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Or this?

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And what if you looked like this in your thirties?
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More likely what's going on is that people assume everyone wants to be young and at their maximal hotness forever (assuming one ever attains hotness, I'm not convinced I have or ever will) so they say that you get to be 20 in heaven forever!!! What if you reach maximal good-looks in your thirties or forties? What if you die at age 60 and really like the way you look then, but you were a skinny little chicken-legged moron when you were in your 20s? God would force you to spend your eternity loathing your appearance?

Quote:Your memories of failure are gone

Failures are what you learn from in life. If you never remember your failures than, in heaven, you never learn. No thanks.

Quote:and it is impossible to be sad.

Then I fundamentally wouldn't be me anymore because lots of things make me sad.

Quote:The giftings you have naturally you get to fully use.

But you don't get to retain any talents you learned because doing so would mean you would remember your failures so.... Thinking

Quote:You live in joy unspeakable and full of glory.

Isn't there that Christian argument that says that you can't truly understand happiness unless you know sadness? But in heaven you can't be sad so you can't ever know joy, either, then... Thinking

Quote:You never want to leave.

As soon as I get somewhere my first thought is usually "When can I leave?" so, yeah, I would want to leave.

Quote:You may as well get used to the idea- A lot of Heaven is coming here.

This statement doesn't even make sense.
Teenaged X-Files obsession + Bermuda Triangle episode + Self-led school research project = Atheist.
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#20
RE: How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?
Even though there is no evidence to it, reincarnation sounds a lot more appealing than heaven. The christian god is an entity I couldn't accept even if it existed. Same goes for other religion's gods
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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