Is the Catholic position a "take it or leave it" kind?

[Aractus]

Or rather one should switch to a more generic Roman Catholic church? Or even to "bare" Christianity? For consequence sake?

Excommunication is indeed biblical (eg 1 Corinthians 5:1-13), but yet a lot of Christians actually look down upon those who practice it.

And as a follow up - what is the reasoning behind ability to make an exception and not realizing that's a normative claim from outside of religion? Like, "if I know how to filter the Old Testament's bad ethical rules, I cannot be certain of the rest of them, and/or it is I who know something about Ethics, not the Old Testament". What stops people of faith from realizing this? How do they explain this to themselves?

They can't. They often claim there's a difference between ceremonial and moral law - interestingly keeping the Sabbath is clearly defined as a moral obligation in the OT - but then most Christians throw out most of the moral law with the ceremonial law. Given that Jesus taught that divorce is not lawful, there can be very little doubt that these changes were indeed made by the first and second century church and not taught by Jesus or his 12 disciples.

[archangle]

Okay I don’t know what is your issue pal but first read before you reply.

I live in catholic country. I have never heard one say "we are perfect people"

Well guess what me neither.

or I have never heard them say "we don't have evil people in our group".

Again neither do I.

To say that they claim perfection is bullshit.

Do me a favor, and while you do that do yourself a favor. Press Ctrl+F, (or if you have a Mac is ⌘-F) and type “perfection” I want to see in which sentence is that I claimed such thing.

Because I claimed that Catholics lied to themselves and others about being good people, not perfect just good. One can consider himself good but that doesn’t mean he is perfect nor that he thinks that of himself.

And last time I checked one can go to church lie to the Padre about your actions tell yourself you are a good catholic and still whine and complain about the rest of the world on the way back home. What you’ve never heard anyone claim he is a good person and everyone else is wrong?
I had the impression that during confession you respond by your own individual actions not the ones of the group you are part of.

You see that’s what I said, not that we are perfect, nor that our culture is flawless what I said (and I am gonna repeat again hoping this time you get it right) Is that Catholics don’t act according to the commandments of their church but most of them when they step up during confession they lie about it telling themselves they(and when I mean they I refer to the person that is confessing) are good people not perfect just good.

let me repeat it for you stupid fuck. nobody does.

let me repeat again you simplle fukelton. we all try to be as good as we can. When you show me a person that "LIVES" whatever set of rules they were given I will show a "story". Even jesus didn't live his perfect set of rules. So your hidden claim can be made about any large group of people. So try and think, if that is possible, past the nose on your fac. What does that mean? All errors left inn. The amount of trouble it gives you lets me know just where your limits are. Although your post does it nicely.

now that we agree. noboby is perfect. And nobody you or I know follows any group rules "perfectly" ... Whats your fuking real point.

[Minimalist]

Why not let the child molesters speak for themselves on this issue?

http://www.catholicbible101.com/cafeteriacatholics.htm

Today's "Cafeteria Catholics" are no different than Luther, except they don't leave and start their own church named after themselves. Rather, they very proudly defy the Pope and the teaching authority of The Church delineated in the Catechism. The liberal Catholics love the Church's teaching on social justice and immigration and health care, but they really hate the Church's teaching on artificial contraception and abortion. So they, in effect, are their very own Popes, deciding infallibly for themselves what is right and what is wrong. And worse than that, when it comes to voting, they will vote for someone who promotes abortion and contraception as being normal, right, and good.

As always with religious fucks, it always comes down to what someone else does with their dick or pussy. They just can't get their uptight little minds off of it.

[vorlon13]

So the Pope doesn't cherry pick Scripture ?

When is the last time he drank poison and played with deadly serpents ??

For that matter, when is the last time a Pope laid hands on a broken arm and healed it ???

[Zidneya]

let me repeat again you simplle fukelton.

Oh I hit a nerve didn’t I?

we all try to be as good as we can.

Mmm…
That’s odd I always thought that we all try to be as good as we want when we want. That is of course if that's what we want.
That’s why they call it free will.
Because believe me not everyone lives as good as they can.

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When you show me a person that "LIVES" whatever set of rules they were given I will show a "story".

Okay…em one question is that story a interpretation of my story? A sequel? A prequel maybe?

Even jesus didn't live his perfect set of rules.

No offense but as an atheist I really don’t take in count Jesus as an example.

So your hidden claim can be made about any large group of people.

Agreed….. also if you say that my hidden claim can be applied to other groups then do you agree that my hidden claim is a reality? Okay I said something you agreed with me, roll credits.

So try and think,

Yeah because you are the right one to lecture me about that.

I do not hang around assholes. I like being the only one.

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if that is possible, past the nose on your fac.

When you mean fac you mean face right?

What does that mean?

Em…that Catholics are hypocrites towards their religion?

All errors left inn.

So this is one of those “What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas?” speech?

The amount of trouble it gives you lets me know just where your limits are.

Yeah because so far you haven’t shown any proof of misinterpretation whatsoever.

Although your post does it nicely.

Oh you are making me blush.

now that we agree. nobody is perfect.

Don’t tell that to me because like I have said(repetitively) before: I’ve never claimed that.

And nobody you or I know follows any group rules "perfectly"

Then again. I didn’t claimed that.

... What’s your fuking real point.

That people are hypocrites?....And that Catholics lie during confession? I already told you that why are you asking me again?

Look I can understand that you want to prove your point and I respect that. But you got some really misplaced anger pal. I could be wrong but I don’t think so. If you misunderstood something just say it you just need to ask “what is your point?” don’t need to get all grumpy. When I first meet you I liked your determination but I gotta say pal your previous statement kind of demotivated me. So I hope you don’t mind if I am gonna remove the rep I left in your profile.

Reply if you want or don’t, do as you wish. And have a nice day.