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Gods standards are absolute for sure. that's a great thing. You'd need a lobotomy to think he was morally corrupt. It shows a inability for joined up thinking.

TimeDivider

(4th March 2010 10:36)tackattack Wrote: Really I thought it had more to do with somatization, splitting or denial (or maybe in the best case sublimation). It appears from my perspective to be in effect going from belief A to counter-belief A instead of disregarding the belief and if necessary identifying with belief B. I admit that a few atheists I've met on here are more "I don't believe there is evidence to support your belief in God" but as a whole a lot of the atheists I've spoken with are simply anti-theism.. which seems more reactionary and emotional than rational, IMO.

I agree, and have found that a vast majority of those new to atheism don't full grasp what it means, and to agree with you, do so simply to be the opposite of ideas they found to be unsavory. I can say that I started in that boat, having had a friend turn to young earth creationism and radical judgments of myself and others, and became an atheist as a reaction to that. I eventually, with study and maturity, saw my ideas fully formed into a strong atheism, supported by our understanding of the universe. It takes time to free one's mind from religion, and some will continue their entire lives without settling on a finite decision, but such is the plight of man!

**tackattack**

(8th March 2010 02:35)tavarish Wrote:

(6th March 2010 13:10)tackattack Wrote: I don't necessairly subsctribe to the totalitarian judge concept. I think he allows us to choose his will or against his will. He can love everyoen equally and have an open door, it's we that judge (ourselves and others) and condemn. Not to say there isn't a right and a wrong by God, just that he's not the one seperating us from being a part of him we are. Nor do I subscribe to hell being any different than seperation from the wonderous.
Where you read "barbaric, jealous and morally defunct deity " I read barbaric, jealous and morally defunct society. What seems to be lacking from the atheistic majority at times seems to be personal accountability.
But truly I agree that blind anything is defunct in all it's aspect. I'm glad the majority on here attempt to open eyes.

He allows you to be with him or get bent, in layman's terms - his way or the highway. That's totalitarianism. We judge becuse it's our nature to discern what is right and wrong by our standards, and in my personal opinion, the God if the Bible is morally defunct. I wasn't talking about society. I was talking about the character of the Christian God being nothing more than a bipolar megalomaniacal jerk. He orders rape and murder, condones slavery, kills people to prove points to Satan, not to mention creates beings that from birth cannot live up to a standard the creator set.

...more on this later.

No It's just his way or yours. It's not him that seperates him from us it's the other way. Imagine if you could only do one thing, know one thing and have aboslute knowledge of that one thing outside of time. You could only do one thing.. that which is in your nature. That is how I feel the average Christian sees God as an absolute. If you see him as morally defunct, you are welcome to your opinion but I don't share it. What's one man's volcanoe is another's island. God said he looked over all he had created and it was good, because it was from him. That's not to say his one thing isn't complex, but we posit it as an absolute.

(8th March 2010 09:13)TimeDivider Wrote:

(4th March 2010 10:36)tackattack Wrote: Really I thought it had more to do with somatization, splitting or denial (or maybe in the best case sublimation). It appears from my perspective to be in effect going from belief A to counter-belief A instead of disregarding the belief and if necessary identifying with belief B. I admit that a few atheists I've met on here are more "I don't believe there is evidence to support your belief in God" but as a whole a lot of the atheists I've spoken with are simply anti-theism.. which seems more reactionary and emotional than rational, IMO.

I agree, and have found that a vast majority of those new to atheism don't full grasp what it means, and to agree with you, do so simply to be the opposite of ideas they found to be unsavory. I can say that I started in that boat, having had a friend turn to young earth creationism and radical judgments of myself and others, and became an atheist as a reaction to that. I eventually, with study and maturity, saw my ideas fully formed into a strong atheism, supported by our understanding of the universe. It takes time to free one's mind from religion, and some will continue their entire lives without settling on a finite decision, but such is the plight of man!

It takes time to free one's mind from bias of any kind not just blind faith, but such is the plight of man Big Grin

Luckily a lot of the atheists I've found here have taken the time.

**Moros Synackaon**

(9th March 2010 10:37)tackattack Wrote:
(8th March 2010 02:35)tavarish Wrote:

(6th March 2010 13:10)tackattack Wrote: I don't necessairly subsctribe to the totalitarian judge concept. I think he allows us to choose his will or against his will. He can love everyoen equally and have an open door, it's we that judge (ourselves and others) and condemn. Not to say there isn't a right and a wrong by God, just that he's not the one seperating us from being a part of him we are. Nor do I subscribe to hell being any different than seperation from the wonderous.
Where you read "barbaric, jealous and morally defunct deity " I read barbaric, jealous and morally defunct society. What seems to be lacking from the atheistic majority at times seems to be personal accountability.
But truly I agree that blind anything is defunct in all it's aspect. I'm glad the majority on here attempt to open eyes.

He allows you to be with him or get bent, in layman's terms - his way or the highway. That's totalitarianism. We judge becuse it's our nature to discern what is right and wrong by our standards, and in my personal opinion, the God if the Bible is morally defunct. I wasn't talking about society. I was talking about the character of the Christian God being nothing more than a bipolar megalomaniacal jerk. He orders rape and murder, condones slavery, kills people to prove points to Satan, not to mention creates beings that from birth cannot live up to a standard the creator set.

...more on this later.

No It's just his way or yours. It's not him that seperates him from us it's the other way. Imagine if you could only do one thing, know one thing and have aboslute knowledge of that one thing outside of time. You could only do one thing.. that which is in your nature. That is how I feel the average Christian sees God as an absolute. If you see him as morally defunct, you are welcome to your opinion but I don't share it. What's one man's volcanoe is another's island. God said he looked over all he had created and it was good, because it was from him. That's not to say his one thing isn't complex, but we posit it as an absolute.

Like the analogy, until that volcanic island explodes.

Kablooie!

**tackattack**

I don't live my life in fear, I enjoy everyday as it is. What your allusding to is a life of fear and I don't think you live that way either syn. That's the mindset of a slave.

**Moros Synackaon**

(10th March 2010 07:40)tackattack Wrote: I don't live my life in fear, I enjoy everyday as it is. What your allusding to is a life of fear and I don't think you live that way either syn. That's the mindset of a slave.

You choose to be on an island, connoting an isolated place with an inherent and known danger. Why live there when you can live on a continent, a planet or some other location in this vast universe of a metaphor?

A man chooses. Especially where he "lives".

**tackattack**

I'll play along with the metaphor while waiting for TD and tav.

Where we live isn't always a choice that we have direct control over. Neither are we usually fully informed of the area we live in before we live there. I dind't know I lived with 3 blocks of 3-4 registered pedophiles until after I moved here. I could have looked it up (and will in the future) but it wasn't my focus when moving. You might have a primitive populous that doesn't know what a volcano is and have no recorded histroy of an explosion. They are living on ashes of the last civilization that was blind or unlucky, without even knowing it. A man chooses where his intent and focus lead him to. To claim a man chooses the entirety of his own subjective world is a little naive, IMO. Do you choose whether your water comes from the waste recycling plant or a mountain spring? Are you sure 200 years ago your home wasn't someone's graveyard? 1 million it wasn't a tar pit?