Apocolyptic beasts

[fr0d0]

You miss the point Zen. I've already said twice why you should consider revelations. It's not my opinion of Shakespeare that is my point here... but the accessibility of his work to a modern audience... and how that is similar to the book of revelation... I think you dismiss it out of hand - like I am pretending to dismiss Shakespeare for the same reason. Geddit?

[Zen Badger]

Where have you told us why we should consider revelations seriously?

All you have told us is that we should.

And no, I'm not dismissing it out of hand, I'm dismissing it

because after careful reading i find it to be the inconsistent incoherent

ramblings of an obviously drug addled lunatic.

And I'll make the point that it was you who brought the great Bard into the discussion.

[fr0d0]

I've told you you need to consider it because it's a great literary work that needs some work to interpret, and I cited Shakespeare as vaguely similar obscurity to the modern reader that also required some interpretation. That's the reason I gave. I didn't promise any explanation of the text to you.

[Adrian Hayter]

Quick question Zen. Why do you insist on placing a double line-break between every line, and seemingly in the middle of sentences?

Breaking up a whole sentence over 5 lines (as you did above) looks and reads ugly. Kindly explain why you do it, and if you can, stop...

[Zen Badger]

(17th January 2010 05:05)fr0d0 Wrote:  I've told you you need to consider it because it's a great literary work that needs some work to interpret, and I cited Shakespeare as vaguely similar obscurity to the modern reader that also required some interpretation. That's the reason I gave. I didn't promise any explanation of the text to you.

No Frodo,

It cannot, by any stretch of the imagination be called a great literary work.

Apart from the entertainment factor.

In that respect, it is priceless.

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(17th January 2010 05:06)Adrian Hayter Wrote:  Quick question Zen. Why do you insist on placing a double line-break between every line, and seemingly in the middle of sentences?

Breaking up a whole sentence over 5 lines (as you did above) looks and reads ugly. Kindly explain why you do it, and if you can, stop...

Cos I like to.

Feel free not to read my posts if you find them ugly.

[Rhizomorph13]

Adrian,

He is

a beat poet

Scooby do wah wah wah

Rhizo

[KichigaiNeko]

(16th January 2010 13:41)fr0d0 Wrote:  It is in the form of psychotic revelation Zen and it does appear to be rubbish at first glance. It's particularly difficult to understand but no less worthy of consideration nonetheless.

It's ok fr0d0 there is medical help now adays for psychotic revelations.

So revelations is a great piece of literature?? Hmmm Sorry fr0d0, it must be one of those metaphysical thingies but I just can't agree with you. Vampies are tame by comparison

[theVOID]

(16th January 2010 03:35)Ashes1995 Wrote:  Found this in a mythology book and thought it would be interesting to share:

Quote:when john has his first sight of god in glory, he sees "four living creatures full of eyes" surrounding his throne. between them, the quartet symbolize the greater part of gods creation: one is like a lion, representing carnivores< another an ox for the herbivores. the third has the face of a man, indicating the human presence, while the fourth, an eagle, stands for the birds of the air. the eyes apparently indicate perpetual watchfulness.

other creatures are less benevolent. when the fifth angel blows his trumpet, he unleashes a plague of locusts upon non believers - "those of mankind who do not have the seal of god upon their foreheads". these heavenly locusts are unlike any seen before, for they appear "like horses arrayed for battle". they have human faces with women's hair but bear the tails of scorpions, equiped with venomous stings. once they have completed their ravages, the sixth angel's trumpet introduces fresh horrors in the form of a flood of armed horsemen riding on mounts that have heads like lions, breathing smoke and sulphur, and serpents for tails

John is the person having this vision, wich is described along with another vision he had in The Book of Revelation. The author, John, wrote the book while in exile on the greek island of Patmos.

if anyone knows more on this subject please share

The island of Patmos is famous for it's Magic Mushrooms... That is about all you need to know to make sense of it

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(17th January 2010 03:31)fr0d0 Wrote:  You miss the point Zen. I've already said twice why you should consider revelations. It's not my opinion of Shakespeare that is my point here... but the accessibility of his work to a modern audience... and how that is similar to the book of revelation... I think you dismiss it out of hand - like I am pretending to dismiss Shakespeare for the same reason. Geddit?

Shakespeare never claimed his work was anything but fiction.

[Minimalist]

(16th January 2010 11:08)Zen Badger Wrote:  It's from Revelations

And a more deranged, drug induced, psychotic load of

rubbish I have yet to encounter.

Actually, it is Jewish apocalyptic literature later adopted/stolen by xtians. Revelations dates itself to late 68, early 69 AD.

Quote:Revelation 17:10 >>

New International Version (©1984)
They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while.

Augustus, died 14 AD
Tiberius, died 37 AD
Caligula, died 41 AD
Claudius, died 54 AD
Nero, died 68 AD.

The five fallen.

Galba, died January 69 AD.

The one who is (was.)

The author correctly names the dead kings and the living king. He screwed up the rest of it because no one could have envisioned the short reigns of Vitellius and Otho before Vespasian became emperor and remained for a while (10 years.)

It would have been common knowedge that Josephus, when he went over to the Romans after the siege of Jotapata, declared that Vespasian would become emperor. Oddly, after overrunning Galilee, Vespasian put his campaign on hold to observe political events in Rome. His departure for Italy gave the Jewish rebellion an extra 2 years of life while Titus gathered a sufficient force to reduce Jerusalem. So it was with good reason that the Jews could look to the north and know what was coming. The Romans were not exactly secretive about their preparations.

In any case, Revelations is subtle and poetical writing but it is about what Rome was going to do to the Jews, and what an avenging 'god' would then do to the Romans. The Jews liked to pretend that their big sky daddy would always show up to fight their battles for them. Probably explains why they kept getting their asses kicked. No one gave a shit about xtians at this time. In the discussions on the run-up to the revolt neither Josephus or Tacitus so much as mention them.

[padraic]

(16th January 2010 11:08)Zen Badger Wrote:  It's from Revelations

And a more deranged, drug induced, psychotic load of

rubbish I have yet to encounter.

Actually, I think it's from the Book Of Ezekiel. (6th BCE)

Quote:Inaugural vision (Ezekiel 1:1–3:27)- The first chapter of the Book of Ezekiel begins with Ezekiel's record of his vision of God's spectacular chariot (see Merkabah).[4] In this vision, God approaches Ezekiel as a divine warrior, riding in his battle chariot. This chariot appeared to be drawn by four living creatures each having four faces (of a man, a lion, an ox, and an eagle), and four wings. These living creatures are traditionally known as the fixed signs of the astrology zodiac, namly Aquarius (the man), Leo (the lion), Taurus (the ox), and Scorpio (the eagle is the second symbol of the Scorpio sign). They could travel forward and backward, up and down, and they moved in flashes of lightning. Beside each "living creature" was a beryl-colored wheel, constructed as "a wheel within a wheel," with "tall and awesome" rims that were full of eyes all around. In this appearance of God unto Ezekiel here, he commissions him to be a prophet and a "watchman" in Israel: "Son of man, I am sending you to the Israelites." (2:3)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Ezekiel