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Sin Eater
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RE: Sin Eater
The reference was actually in Master & Commander.

I found this link:

http://cdn.worldheritage.org/articles/Sin_Eater

John Bagford, (ca.1650–1716) includes the following description of the sin-eating ritual in his letter on Leland’s Collectanea, i. 76. (as cited in Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable, 1898)

“Notice was given to an old sire before the door of the house, when some of the family came out and furnished him with a cricket [low stool], on which he sat down facing the door; then they gave him a groat which he put in his pocket, a crust of bread which he ate, and a bowl of ale which he drank off at a draught. After this he got up from the cricket and pronounced the case and rest of the soul departed, for which he would pawn his own soul.”

A local legend in Shropshire, England, concerns the grave of Richard Munslow, who died in 1906, said to be the last sin-eater of the area:[4]

"By eating bread and drinking ale, and by making a short speech at the graveside, the sin-eater took upon themselves the sins of the deceased". The speech was written as: "I give easement and rest now to thee, dear man. Come not down the lanes or in our meadows. And for thy peace I pawn my own soul. Amen".[5]

The 1926 book Funeral Customs by Bertram S. Puckle mentions the sin-eater:

"Professor Evans of the Presbyterian College, Carmarthen, actually saw a sin-eater about the year 1825, who was then living near Llanwenog, Cardiganshire. Abhorred by the superstitious villagers as a thing unclean, the sin-eater cut himself off from all social intercourse with his fellow creatures by reason of the life he had chosen; he lived as a rule in a remote place by himself, and those who chanced to meet him avoided him as they would a leper. This unfortunate was held to be the associate of evil spirits, and given to witchcraft, incantations and unholy practices; only when a death took place did they seek him out, and when his purpose was accomplished they burned the wooden bowl and platter from which he had eaten the food handed across, or placed on the corpse for his consumption".[6]

Howlett mentions sin-eating as an old custom in Hereford, and thus describes the practice: 'The corpse being taken out of the house, and laid on a bier, a loaf of bread was given to the sin-eater over the corpse, also a maga-bowl of maple, full of beer. These consumed, a fee of sixpence was given him for the consideration of his taking upon himself the sins of the deceased, who, thus freed, would not walk after death.'"

The 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica states in its article on "sin eaters":

"A symbolic survival of it (sin eating) was witnessed as recently as 1893 at Market Drayton, Shropshire. After a preliminary service had been held over the coffin in the house, a woman poured out a glass of wine for each bearer and handed it to him across the coffin with a 'funeral biscuit.' In Upper Bavaria sin-eating still survives: a corpse cake is placed on the breast of the dead and then eaten by the nearest relative, while in the Balkan peninsula a small bread image of the deceased is made and eaten by the survivors of the family. The Dutch doed-koecks or 'dead-cakes', marked with the initials of the deceased, introduced into America in the 17th century, were long given to the attendants at funerals in old New York. The 'burial-cakes' which are still made in parts of rural England, for example Lincolnshire and Cumberland, are almost certainly a relic of sin-eating".[7]
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#12
RE: Sin Eater
(August 8, 2014 at 3:53 pm)Baqal Wrote: @orangebox21
Yes. Christianity teaches the sinner does not pay for the removal of sins, it is a work of God, a work of grace. (Biblical reference)
-subtle face palm-
I knew that already, my previous response was sarcastic.
And the removal of sins according to Christianity... that is something I'd like to discuss. Are you interested?
Suurrrrrre, I get a '-subtle face palm-' but not a #sarcasm on the previous response????

Seriously though I'd be happy to discuss the removal of sins according to Christianity. Out of respect for the op and so as not to hi-jack the thread, begin a new thread and I'd be happy to participate in the discussion.
(August 8, 2014 at 3:59 pm)ShaMan Wrote: Ummmm Thinking your Jesus was a "Sin Eater". While it may not be "practiced" in Christianity today, it is most certainly at the heart (root) of the Christian gospel... The sins of one being transferred to another for the explicit purpose of cleansing the former of said "sins".
So to follow, Christians summon Jesus to eat bread off a dead person and take the coins underneath as payment to have our sins transferred to him. Do you honestly believe the Bible teaches this? Me paying to have my sins transferred to someone else is not at the heart (root) of the Christian gospel.

If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?



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RE: Sin Eater
(August 8, 2014 at 10:59 pm)orangebox21 Wrote:
(August 8, 2014 at 3:59 pm)ShaMan Wrote: Ummmm Thinking your Jesus was a "Sin Eater". While it may not be "practiced" in Christianity today, it is most certainly at the heart (root) of the Christian gospel... The sins of one being transferred to another for the explicit purpose of cleansing the former of said "sins".
So to follow, Christians summon Jesus to eat bread off a dead person and take the coins underneath as payment to have our sins transferred to him. Do you honestly believe the Bible teaches this? Me paying to have my sins transferred to someone else is not at the heart (root) of the Christian gospel.
Archetypal images apparently elude you.
(August 8, 2014 at 3:59 pm)ShaMan Wrote: The sins of one being transferred to another for the explicit purpose of cleansing the former of said "sins".
It's the same concept (belief), practiced in another way.
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